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I don't understand this logic, why would authoritarian governments need to fake political dissident material as child porn for matching? The examples you quoted

I don't understand this logic, why would authoritarian governments need to fake political dissident material as child porn for matching? The examples you quoted directly invalidate this argument. The authoritarian governments can directly ban political dissident materials, and they don't need child porn as the excuse.

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ls612 5y ago
Because the real concern isn’t that; it’s something like Apple vs FBI where the fact that Apple didn’t have a capability built have them a legal edge against a government with stronger rule of law.
derefr 5y ago
iMessage is E2E-encrypted; the only scanning of the content of the network a state adversary can do is by getting Apple to implement it for them, into the iMessage client. And Apple until now have had the excuse for not doing so, that they have no mechanism built into iMessage that would or could scan for such things, nor (as the excuse would go) is such a technology likely to be either “feasible” given the E2E-encrypted nature of the communications, or “palatable” to their audience (i.e. an argument like “people buy the iDevices in part because of advertised privacy benefits, so such state-level intrusions would lead to nobody buying iDevices, so nobody would be caught by this scheme anyway, so all you’re really doing by asking us to implement it is trying to destroy our company’s share price, probably to help your domestic phone market—and our government wouldn’t take kindly to that kind of market interference. So if you don’t want to be slapped with even more Huawei-like trade sanctions, kindly go away.”) The implementation of a CSAM scanner is a clear feasibility proof for the set of technologically-equivalent capabilities (e.g. dissident-material scanning.) The fact that Apple have implemented it, and that their users have accepted it and continued to use their iDevices, means Apple has no leg to stand on when denying governments the implementation of technological enforcement for “banning political dissident materials.”
- dwaite 5y ago
  iMessage does not use the CSAM scanner, only the upload to iCloud Photos does. The iMessage feature is a local porn-ish detector on sent/received images with a click-through. It is only for children on family accounts, and if the child is under 13 a click-through is reported to the parent.

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ls612 5y ago

Because the real concern isn’t that; it’s something like Apple vs FBI where the fact that Apple didn’t have a capability built have them a legal edge against a government with stronger rule of law.

derefr 5y ago

iMessage is E2E-encrypted; the only scanning of the content of the network a state adversary can do is by getting Apple to implement it for them, into the iMessage client. And Apple until now have had the excuse for not doing so, that they have no mechanism built into iMessage that would or could scan for such things, nor (as the excuse would go) is such a technology likely to be either “feasible” given the E2E-encrypted nature of the communications, or “palatable” to their audience (i.e. an argument like “people buy the iDevices in part because of advertised privacy benefits, so such state-level intrusions would lead to nobody buying iDevices, so nobody would be caught by this scheme anyway, so all you’re really doing by asking us to implement it is trying to destroy our company’s share price, probably to help your domestic phone market—and our government wouldn’t take kindly to that kind of market interference. So if you don’t want to be slapped with even more Huawei-like trade sanctions, kindly go away.”) The implementation of a CSAM scanner is a clear feasibility proof for the set of technologically-equivalent capabilities (e.g. dissident-material scanning.) The fact that Apple have implemented it, and that their users have accepted it and continued to use their iDevices, means Apple has no leg to stand on when denying governments the implementation of technological enforcement for “banning political dissident materials.”

dwaite 5y ago
iMessage does not use the CSAM scanner, only the upload to iCloud Photos does. The iMessage feature is a local porn-ish detector on sent/received images with a click-through. It is only for children on family accounts, and if the child is under 13 a click-through is reported to the parent.