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Oh enough already. If you are uploading 30 or more images that would be illegal in your country to iCloud you're not using your head.
by emodendroket 5y ago
Oh enough already. If you are uploading 30 or more images that would be illegal in your country to iCloud you're not using your head.
- tradesmanhelix 5y agoThe problem is that the definition of what is "illegal" can shift very quickly, esp. in certain countries, so moving the ability to scan for "illegal" stuff to user's devices is absolutely disastrous privacy/freedom-wise.
- emodendroket 5y agoAnd MY point is that if you're really concerned with that you never should have been using iCloud sync in the first place. You were already exposed to that risk.
- tradesmanhelix 5y agoBut the CSAM technology won't be limited to photos uploaded to iCloud. That's where it starts, not where it ends. This technology exposes all users of iOS, past and present, to the whims of the current definition of "legal".
- emodendroket 5y agoSo your argument is that I should be concerned because they may change the feature to do something different than it does now. But you could always say that. They could make it do anything in the future.
- tradesmanhelix 5y agoTrue, at some point you have to trust someone, whether it's your phone's manufacturer, your telco, or the developers of the apps you use. But when there's a flagrant disregard for users and the potential impact a system like CSAM could have on them, to me that crosses a line and means the company is no longer trustworthy: > If a company actively screws its users in broad daylight, then what's going on behind closed doors? At least previously Apple had the pastiche of a privacy and user-centric company. No more if this goes through.
- captainredbeard 5y agoYou seem to be concerned about actual CSAM "users" getting caught. What is being argued is that this creates a scenario where authoritarian governments can slip embarrassing photos into the list and find where they originated, find memes, etc.
- emodendroket 5y agoI understand those arguments but find them unconvincing. These authoritarian governments could also just insist on seeing the cloud data and do not need to bother with such a roundabout way of getting it.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 5y agoWhose to say drawn images won't get flagged? I mean a particular genre that exists but in all essence...it's not illegal not real. Creepy, weird, and disturbing, but not nearly as bad as the former.
- emodendroket 5y agoIf such drawn images are not legal where you live, I would suggest that if you must look at them you should not sync them to iCloud.
- sk2020 5y agoYou (and Apple) have no way of knowing if the photos that will flag you are actually illegal content. The repository is a black box.
- emodendroket 5y agoOnce the photos are flagged they're subject to manual review.