> what they had I am unconvinced they've lost it. There is a lot of noise right now, but how much of that is coming from people who already hated Apple? Out

> what they had I am unconvinced they've lost it. There is a lot of noise right now, but how much of that is coming from people who already hated Apple? Out in the real world, even people who've heard something about this largely don't care. It's a tempest in a teapot -- granted, a little larger than usual, but it's easy to fall into the fallacy that everyone else should care the way HN does about something. And this topic seems to be pretty divisive, almost political in nature.