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Hmmm one correction, SpaceX main driver is Gwynne and I doubt SpaceX would have been even close to what it is now if not for her. Musk is there more front face

Hmmm one correction, SpaceX main driver is Gwynne and I doubt SpaceX would have been even close to what it is now if not for her. Musk is there more front face for the public. Tesla is his child, but so are many other (now obviously failed) projects.

itsoktocry 5y ago
>SpaceX main driver is Gwynne and I doubt SpaceX would have been even close to what it is now if not for her. Musk is there more front face for the public. A substantial portion of the Musk fanbase believe he's the one personally designing rockets and coding the software to land them.
- skissane 5y ago
  I've never heard a single SpaceX fan suggest that Musk actually writes code any more. I think that is a bit of an exaggerated caricature. He knows how to do it, and he wrote a lot of code in the early days of Zip2, but since then, he has left the actual coding to others. (And, given he hasn't done it in anger in over 20 years, his software development skills are likely rather rusty. Plus, I’ve never heard any suggestions he has skills in avionics software development in particular.) I think he does actively involve himself in engineering-level discussions and decision-making, both at SpaceX and Tesla. Most CEOs don't do that, but some do – Bill Gates did that a lot when CEO of Microsoft – so it is not unprecedented. Designing something as complex as a car or a launch vehicle (or an operating system or an office suite) is a team effort, it is never going to be all on a single individual, and senior people are inevitably going to delegate a lot of the detailed analysis and design work to their subordinates – but a senior executive who actively involves themselves in engineering decisions can have a real impact on the outcome, for better or worse. He isn't formally trained as an engineer, but he has a degree in physics, and he is obviously a reasonably intelligent and very dedicated guy who has had years of access to some very experienced engineers, so the idea that he has learnt enough aerospace/automotive engineering to actually make a useful contribution as an engineering decision-maker isn't unbelievable. I'm a bit of a SpaceX fan myself, but I feel like there is a big disconnect between what the average SpaceX fan actually believes about SpaceX, and the caricatures that many SpaceX/Musk critics like to paint. (Of course, there may be the occasional SpaceX fan who takes it way too far, and for whom these caricatures actually become true, but I don't think the vast majority of us are actually like that.)
moogly 5y ago
> Tesla is his child Adopted child, if so.
panick21 5y ago
Ah this old Musk-Hater mantra. The 'Gwynne' does everything trope. Gwynne is an excellent manager and I don't want to say anything bad about her and SpaceX is lucky to have her but the idea that she is 'main driver' is just idiotic. It is counter to everything you read about SpaceX. It is counter to all the experience reports from people within or from outside of SpaceX. Neither Gwynne nor any of the other original leaders, Mueller or Königsmann seem to agree with the assessment. This trope seems to mostly come from an time where Tesla was not doing so well in 2017 and everybody that didn't like Elon was saying 'see Tesla is going to the shitter, he doesn't have Gwynne that is the reason SpaceX is successful'. Tesla of course now is incredibly successful without having a Gwynne and that somehow is just lucky or something. For a while people also used to say that JB was why Tesla was technically successful, he was the mastermind behind all the engineering at Tesla and without him would fail to innovate. Gwynne could leave SpaceX tomorrow and SpaceX would continue to do very well. The head of HR for example has been with the company since Falcon 1 days and could take that job and do a good job as well. Elon could likely do much of it himself but it would talk away time he would much rather spend with the engineering team.

itsoktocry 5y ago

>SpaceX main driver is Gwynne and I doubt SpaceX would have been even close to what it is now if not for her. Musk is there more front face for the public. A substantial portion of the Musk fanbase believe he's the one personally designing rockets and coding the software to land them.

skissane 5y ago
I've never heard a single SpaceX fan suggest that Musk actually writes code any more. I think that is a bit of an exaggerated caricature. He knows how to do it, and he wrote a lot of code in the early days of Zip2, but since then, he has left the actual coding to others. (And, given he hasn't done it in anger in over 20 years, his software development skills are likely rather rusty. Plus, I’ve never heard any suggestions he has skills in avionics software development in particular.) I think he does actively involve himself in engineering-level discussions and decision-making, both at SpaceX and Tesla. Most CEOs don't do that, but some do – Bill Gates did that a lot when CEO of Microsoft – so it is not unprecedented. Designing something as complex as a car or a launch vehicle (or an operating system or an office suite) is a team effort, it is never going to be all on a single individual, and senior people are inevitably going to delegate a lot of the detailed analysis and design work to their subordinates – but a senior executive who actively involves themselves in engineering decisions can have a real impact on the outcome, for better or worse. He isn't formally trained as an engineer, but he has a degree in physics, and he is obviously a reasonably intelligent and very dedicated guy who has had years of access to some very experienced engineers, so the idea that he has learnt enough aerospace/automotive engineering to actually make a useful contribution as an engineering decision-maker isn't unbelievable. I'm a bit of a SpaceX fan myself, but I feel like there is a big disconnect between what the average SpaceX fan actually believes about SpaceX, and the caricatures that many SpaceX/Musk critics like to paint. (Of course, there may be the occasional SpaceX fan who takes it way too far, and for whom these caricatures actually become true, but I don't think the vast majority of us are actually like that.)

moogly 5y ago

> Tesla is his child Adopted child, if so.

panick21 5y ago

Ah this old Musk-Hater mantra. The 'Gwynne' does everything trope. Gwynne is an excellent manager and I don't want to say anything bad about her and SpaceX is lucky to have her but the idea that she is 'main driver' is just idiotic. It is counter to everything you read about SpaceX. It is counter to all the experience reports from people within or from outside of SpaceX. Neither Gwynne nor any of the other original leaders, Mueller or Königsmann seem to agree with the assessment. This trope seems to mostly come from an time where Tesla was not doing so well in 2017 and everybody that didn't like Elon was saying 'see Tesla is going to the shitter, he doesn't have Gwynne that is the reason SpaceX is successful'. Tesla of course now is incredibly successful without having a Gwynne and that somehow is just lucky or something. For a while people also used to say that JB was why Tesla was technically successful, he was the mastermind behind all the engineering at Tesla and without him would fail to innovate. Gwynne could leave SpaceX tomorrow and SpaceX would continue to do very well. The head of HR for example has been with the company since Falcon 1 days and could take that job and do a good job as well. Elon could likely do much of it himself but it would talk away time he would much rather spend with the engineering team.