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It's a fair criticism that Elon Musk would probably agree with. He attempts extraordinarily ambitious things that very few other people would even dream of att

It's a fair criticism that Elon Musk would probably agree with. He attempts extraordinarily ambitious things that very few other people would even dream of attempting. Sometimes things take longer and/or perform worse than he hoped they would. Sometimes he succeeds beyond anyone's expectations. In any case, he keeps trying to push the world forward, and that's the highest calling of any engineer in my book. I still can't book a 25 minute SpaceX Earth to Earth flight from LA to NY but I wouldn't be surprised if I could in 10 or 15 years.

doctorwho42 5y ago
>he attempts extraordinary ambitious things that very few other people would even dream of attempting. What are you even talking about? Thousands of people have thought of tackling (1) self driving cars and have made steps towards accomplishing it before musk, (2) reusable rockets, man that has been on the dreams of rocket engineers for decades but we didn't have the computing power to do it, (3) a boring machine... Well we have been doing that for over a century, (4) electric cars, well hate to break it to you but we have been doing that for a century, (5) mars colonization, I feel like everyone born after 69 have been dreaming of how to make that possible; see (case for Mars). Elon musk isn't some gift from god who comes up with extraordinary projects that no-one else is even dreaming of. He is a wealthy business man, son of wealth, who invests his time and energy into driving top talent in the fields he chooses to attempt to accomplish what he promises vaguely on Twitter. And just like Jobs, he takes all the credit for engineering achievements that could never be accomplished by one man in any reasonable time frame.
- staunch 5y ago
  Okay, other people dream of attempting these things and Elon Musk actually does attempt them. Is that more clear? Semantic nitpicking doesn't take anything away from his accomplishments. If you think Elon Musk or Steve Jobs are just taking credit for other people's work you know absolutely nothing about the history of their companies. Apple was nearly bankrupt before Steve Jobs took it over, despite having thousands of good engineers working there. It was Jobs' leadership that built into the most valuable company on earth. Other people tried to lead Apple to success and failed miserably. Jobs tried and succeeded beyond what anyone thought was possible. If you think that doesn't matter, or he doesn't deserve massive credit for what he did, you're just confused. Elon Musk put every penny of his PayPal fortune into SpaceX and Tesla, almost lost it all, all his investors abandoned him, the managers he hired failed him. He was forced to take over leadership of both companies to make them successful, which he did to incredible success. People like to hate on these guys, to belittle their incredible accomplishments, out of envy, spite, or whatever. The haters fabricate the lie that these guys try to take credit for everything their companies do. Steve Jobs and Elon Musk have both praised their teams and collaborators many, many times. There's no way for them to avoid being the face of their companies, but that is in no way evidence of them trying to take all the credit. But, the fact is that Jobs and Musk are uniquely deserving of credit for each of their companies' successes. They are the most responsible for their success. That doesn't mean they are solely responsible, a fact they were never confused about, have neither has ever said otherwise. I'm not someone that thinks these guys are at all perfect people, but if you think they're just lucky, or just anyone could have done what they did, you're just extremely ignorant or lying to yourself to protect your own ego.
IncRnd 5y ago
> He attempts extraordinarily ambitious things that very few other people would even dream of attempting. He makes stock plays. Then he lets everyone pick-up the hype for him. This is a very real skill, and he is excellent at it. It is not the same as accomplishing things.
- staunch 5y ago
  He has shipped 1+ million electric vehicles, transforming the auto industry, which will contribute massively to reducing global emissions, etc. He has delivered rockets that have resupplied the space station, sent astronauts to space, and will almost certainly lead to building bases on the moon and mars, etc. A lot more than making "stock plays". The blindness of the haters is astounding. There are very legitimate critiques of Elon Musk, but denying his self-evident accomplishments is beyond delusional.

doctorwho42 5y ago

>he attempts extraordinary ambitious things that very few other people would even dream of attempting. What are you even talking about? Thousands of people have thought of tackling (1) self driving cars and have made steps towards accomplishing it before musk, (2) reusable rockets, man that has been on the dreams of rocket engineers for decades but we didn't have the computing power to do it, (3) a boring machine... Well we have been doing that for over a century, (4) electric cars, well hate to break it to you but we have been doing that for a century, (5) mars colonization, I feel like everyone born after 69 have been dreaming of how to make that possible; see (case for Mars). Elon musk isn't some gift from god who comes up with extraordinary projects that no-one else is even dreaming of. He is a wealthy business man, son of wealth, who invests his time and energy into driving top talent in the fields he chooses to attempt to accomplish what he promises vaguely on Twitter. And just like Jobs, he takes all the credit for engineering achievements that could never be accomplished by one man in any reasonable time frame.

staunch 5y ago
Okay, other people dream of attempting these things and Elon Musk actually does attempt them. Is that more clear? Semantic nitpicking doesn't take anything away from his accomplishments. If you think Elon Musk or Steve Jobs are just taking credit for other people's work you know absolutely nothing about the history of their companies. Apple was nearly bankrupt before Steve Jobs took it over, despite having thousands of good engineers working there. It was Jobs' leadership that built into the most valuable company on earth. Other people tried to lead Apple to success and failed miserably. Jobs tried and succeeded beyond what anyone thought was possible. If you think that doesn't matter, or he doesn't deserve massive credit for what he did, you're just confused. Elon Musk put every penny of his PayPal fortune into SpaceX and Tesla, almost lost it all, all his investors abandoned him, the managers he hired failed him. He was forced to take over leadership of both companies to make them successful, which he did to incredible success. People like to hate on these guys, to belittle their incredible accomplishments, out of envy, spite, or whatever. The haters fabricate the lie that these guys try to take credit for everything their companies do. Steve Jobs and Elon Musk have both praised their teams and collaborators many, many times. There's no way for them to avoid being the face of their companies, but that is in no way evidence of them trying to take all the credit. But, the fact is that Jobs and Musk are uniquely deserving of credit for each of their companies' successes. They are the most responsible for their success. That doesn't mean they are solely responsible, a fact they were never confused about, have neither has ever said otherwise. I'm not someone that thinks these guys are at all perfect people, but if you think they're just lucky, or just anyone could have done what they did, you're just extremely ignorant or lying to yourself to protect your own ego.

IncRnd 5y ago

> He attempts extraordinarily ambitious things that very few other people would even dream of attempting. He makes stock plays. Then he lets everyone pick-up the hype for him. This is a very real skill, and he is excellent at it. It is not the same as accomplishing things.

staunch 5y ago
He has shipped 1+ million electric vehicles, transforming the auto industry, which will contribute massively to reducing global emissions, etc. He has delivered rockets that have resupplied the space station, sent astronauts to space, and will almost certainly lead to building bases on the moon and mars, etc. A lot more than making "stock plays". The blindness of the haters is astounding. There are very legitimate critiques of Elon Musk, but denying his self-evident accomplishments is beyond delusional.