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I don't follow ANY of this advice and am unlikely to do so anytime soon.

by pbreit 5y ago

ramraj07 5y ago
Exactly. I’m not saying trust my employer or that I dont, I don’t care that much. Logging into slack on my phone doesn’t give them access to all my life. I don’t have to be a slave to the company but I don’t have to be a slave to paranoia either.
- gurchik 5y ago
  Personally there is a difference between logging into Slack on my phone and logging into email (which requires me to enroll into the MDM). I do the former on my personal cell phone, but I would never do the latter. There are many mistakes the company can make (like wiping my personal phone after resigning from the company) to make me regret that decision. But installing Slack is different, I can shut off the notifications and it is oftentimes convenient for me to have the access there if I need it.
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    > There are many mistakes the company can make (like wiping my personal phone after resigning from the company) to make me regret that decision. How much would you even notice this these days, with everything synced to the cloud?
    - Riseed 5y ago
      I would certainly notice because I go out of my way to ensure everything on my device is not synced to the cloud.
      - emodendroket 5y ago
        I'm going to guess there are not a lot of people who are assiduously avoiding any cloud sync and then adding their work e-mail to their phones.
  - ramraj07 5y ago
    Agreed enrolling into MDM shouldn’t be taken lightly. I don’t see that in any modern tech company (at least small ones). For the most part I use gmail and login to the company google account.
    - loteck 5y ago
      I like that you're in a thread about Apple asking employees to straight up merge their personal data into a corporate-owned account and your response is "Phew, at least they didn't ask you to install MDM!"
- throwaway81523 5y ago
  Proverb from HPMOR: It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  I used to be very strict but I kind of had to give in on the work email because it was so inconvenient. From what I’ve read on iOS this gives them fairly limited access to my activities. Well, hopefully true.
- icelancer 5y ago
  If you're ever caught up in discovery or a lawsuit, you'll realize why many of us believe in multi-device and firewall policies.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  That's not what people are talking about, they're talking about fully merging your personal and work accounts for things like iphoto, email, etc like Apple is talking about above.
snowwrestler 5y ago
As with any security advice, we each have to know our threat model and understand how it may differ from the advice-giver. It’s undoubtedly more secure to maintain perfect separation between work and personal information contexts. It can also be expensive and annoying, and may not be worth it for everyone. It really depends strongly on the employer and one’s relationship with them.
_ZeD_ 5y ago
Hi, secret apple HR worker!

I don't follow ANY of this advice and am unlikely to do so anytime soon.

by pbreit 5y ago

I don't follow ANY of this advice and am unlikely to do so anytime soon.

Exactly. I’m not saying trust my employer or that I dont, I don’t care that much. Logging into slack on my phone doesn’t give them access to all my life. I don’t have to be a slave to the company but I don’t have to be a slave to paranoia either.

gurchik 5y ago
Personally there is a difference between logging into Slack on my phone and logging into email (which requires me to enroll into the MDM). I do the former on my personal cell phone, but I would never do the latter. There are many mistakes the company can make (like wiping my personal phone after resigning from the company) to make me regret that decision. But installing Slack is different, I can shut off the notifications and it is oftentimes convenient for me to have the access there if I need it.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  > There are many mistakes the company can make (like wiping my personal phone after resigning from the company) to make me regret that decision. How much would you even notice this these days, with everything synced to the cloud?
  - Riseed 5y ago
    I would certainly notice because I go out of my way to ensure everything on my device is not synced to the cloud.
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      I'm going to guess there are not a lot of people who are assiduously avoiding any cloud sync and then adding their work e-mail to their phones.
- ramraj07 5y ago
  Agreed enrolling into MDM shouldn’t be taken lightly. I don’t see that in any modern tech company (at least small ones). For the most part I use gmail and login to the company google account.
  - loteck 5y ago
    I like that you're in a thread about Apple asking employees to straight up merge their personal data into a corporate-owned account and your response is "Phew, at least they didn't ask you to install MDM!"
throwaway81523 5y ago
Proverb from HPMOR: It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
emodendroket 5y ago
I used to be very strict but I kind of had to give in on the work email because it was so inconvenient. From what I’ve read on iOS this gives them fairly limited access to my activities. Well, hopefully true.
icelancer 5y ago
If you're ever caught up in discovery or a lawsuit, you'll realize why many of us believe in multi-device and firewall policies.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
That's not what people are talking about, they're talking about fully merging your personal and work accounts for things like iphoto, email, etc like Apple is talking about above.

snowwrestler 5y ago

As with any security advice, we each have to know our threat model and understand how it may differ from the advice-giver. It’s undoubtedly more secure to maintain perfect separation between work and personal information contexts. It can also be expensive and annoying, and may not be worth it for everyone. It really depends strongly on the employer and one’s relationship with them.

_ZeD_ 5y ago

Hi, secret apple HR worker!