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> Most people don't really want neutral platforms. Ok, then you if complain when stuff like this happens, then I am going to tell you "I told you so", and poin

by stale2002 5y ago

> Most people don't really want neutral platforms. Ok, then you if complain when stuff like this happens, then I am going to tell you "I told you so", and point out how stuff like this was a pretty inevitable result of this thinking. You just have to sit back and say "Welp, this was the risk that I took, when I refused to support neutral platforms, so I guess I have to just suck it up, because nobody is going to defend me." If you don't like this, then it is time for you to start supporting neutral platforms. Pick one. Either support neutral platforms, or accept that I am going to make fun of you, and laugh at the irony, when the absence of neutral platforms comes back to bite you.

ribosometronome 5y ago
You're not exactly leading by example. We are, again, having this conversation on a platform that isn't neutral and works to keep the content high quality. It seems like your argument really boils down to "Power can be abused therefore no power should ever be used". It's kind of silly. Going back to the same points you ignored, governments criminalize murder. Do you have a problem with that? What about governments using that same power to criminalize weed? Or treat prisoners effectively as slaves? Or enforce segregation? Most folk aren't big fans of the last three but wouldn't want to live in a society where we're too afraid to stop murderers out of fear those same systems could be used to stop good folk. The only real difference is that I have considerably more control over the payment system I'm going to use than I do the government I'm going to live under. Or take it down a bunch of notches. Most platforms take measures to try and fight spam. Do you remember e-mail before spam blockers improved? It was rough! Imagine the same on here, Twitter, etc. It seems to me those services would become useless quickly. But a service that works to block that isn't neutral, they're making decisions about what they will and won't support. I find it hard to imagine that you would prefer to use sites like that, and yet, that's what you're arguing for.
- stale2002 5y ago
  > It seems like your argument really boils down Nope! You have misunderstood my argument, and everything else you say in your post doesn't actually address the singular point I am making. Instead my argument boils down to "I told you so", and that things like this happening are a completely expected result of people and platforms becoming less and less interested, over time, in agreeing with the general principles of neutrality. So, you can't really act surprised when stuff like this happens. Just don't act surprised. Don't pretend like you couldn't have predicted stuff like this happening. Thats all. That is the only thing that I ask. Is that you don't play dumb, and be surprised that stuff like this is the result of society caring less and less about neutrality over time. And if you actually want to address this pretty simple argument, you need to actually talk about this fake surprise, which nothing in the rest of your post did.

ribosometronome 5y ago

You're not exactly leading by example. We are, again, having this conversation on a platform that isn't neutral and works to keep the content high quality. It seems like your argument really boils down to "Power can be abused therefore no power should ever be used". It's kind of silly. Going back to the same points you ignored, governments criminalize murder. Do you have a problem with that? What about governments using that same power to criminalize weed? Or treat prisoners effectively as slaves? Or enforce segregation? Most folk aren't big fans of the last three but wouldn't want to live in a society where we're too afraid to stop murderers out of fear those same systems could be used to stop good folk. The only real difference is that I have considerably more control over the payment system I'm going to use than I do the government I'm going to live under. Or take it down a bunch of notches. Most platforms take measures to try and fight spam. Do you remember e-mail before spam blockers improved? It was rough! Imagine the same on here, Twitter, etc. It seems to me those services would become useless quickly. But a service that works to block that isn't neutral, they're making decisions about what they will and won't support. I find it hard to imagine that you would prefer to use sites like that, and yet, that's what you're arguing for.

stale2002 5y ago
> It seems like your argument really boils down Nope! You have misunderstood my argument, and everything else you say in your post doesn't actually address the singular point I am making. Instead my argument boils down to "I told you so", and that things like this happening are a completely expected result of people and platforms becoming less and less interested, over time, in agreeing with the general principles of neutrality. So, you can't really act surprised when stuff like this happens. Just don't act surprised. Don't pretend like you couldn't have predicted stuff like this happening. Thats all. That is the only thing that I ask. Is that you don't play dumb, and be surprised that stuff like this is the result of society caring less and less about neutrality over time. And if you actually want to address this pretty simple argument, you need to actually talk about this fake surprise, which nothing in the rest of your post did.