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Thus far, this is all information Andrej has presented elsewhere. Edit: Wow, Ashok's section was amazing. It does seems as though their ability to simulate (on

Thus far, this is all information Andrej has presented elsewhere. Edit: Wow, Ashok's section was amazing. It does seems as though their ability to simulate (on top of their fleet's data collection advantage) could allow them to rapidly accelerate toward true FSD. I really like that they capture real world failures and simulate many realizations of them.

itsoktocry 5y ago
>could allow them to rapidly accelerate toward true FSD Every year a little BS is added, and the faithful believe this. There is zero evidence they collect the data they claim to.
- panick21 5y ago
  You think they are fake collecting data? I suppose they wrote code to create fake uploads from peoples cars. How deep is this conspiracy going. How does the FSD Beta work? Do they buy data from somewhere else? Or are all the people who have the FSD Beta paid by Tesla to create fake content. True conspiracy theory you have unraveled here.
  - itsoktocry 5y ago
    >You think they are fake collecting data? I suppose they wrote code to create fake uploads from peoples cars. How deep is this conspiracy going. The conspiracy "keeps going" by the simple math of what they claim to collect vs what actually comes off of the cars and is stored. Do you have any idea the bandwidth and storage associated with endless hours of video storage? Where is it all accounted for? Do you think people are uploading hours and hours of video, from multiple cameras, through cell towers and it's completely unmeasurable? It's astonishing to me that people actually believe that's happening. They've been faking and exaggerating things for years. But yeah, sure, this is a real stretch. >How does the FSD Beta work? Do they buy data from somewhere else? They have some driving data and simulate the rest (something they used to say was a no-no). Did you even watch the presentation? The point is, they have no real "data" advantage over competitors. They literally had LiDAR rigs driving around cities collecting data...why, when they have a million cars submitting billions of miles worth of video? Let me guess, you're one of these layman who thinks the "neural net" is being trained every time the car disengages?
    - panick21 5y ago
      There are more the 1 million Tesla on the road. And they say they are using 1.5 million clips for the training. How is that even remotely unreasonable? And they are not uploading hours of video at the time. They literally explained in detail how they are sourcing videos, I'm sorry if you didn't pay attention or don't understand it. I have heard a lot of criticism of Tesla from experts, but not a single one questioned the video clip sourcing. I'm sorry but your claim of conspiracy has no credibility. > through cell towers and it's completely unmeasurable Do you have the measure of all Tesla data that went threw cell towers and can prove that they didn't upload a few million clips? Because I am 100% sure you don't have that data. > Let me guess, you're one of these layman who thinks the "neural net" is being trained every time the car disengages? I don't need to guess that you are dickhead.
      - itsoktocry 5y ago
        >They literally explained in detail how they are sourcing videos, I'm sorry if you didn't pay attention or don't understand it. I have heard a lot of criticism of Tesla from experts, but not a single one questioned the video clip sourcing. I realize they explained how they source the videos, which is in direct contradiction to previous claims. Was this your first rodeo? >Do you have the measure of all Tesla data that went threw cell towers and can prove that they didn't upload a few million clips? Right, it's now just a few million clips, not billions of miles of footage from multiple cameras, something they had previously claimed. Remember, their vast fleet video data was a massive competitive advantage. The goal posts changed last night. People questioned whether they ever had all that data (your "conspiracy"). Turns out they don't, and don't use it like that. So the "conspiracy" was correct. >I don't need to guess that you are dickhead. Lol, what a clown. Hope you get banned.
        panick21 5y ago
        > I realize they explained how they source the videos, which is in direct contradiction to previous claims. No it isn't. You don't seem to understand the billions miles of driving compared to how much of that was actually uploaded. Please show me where they claim to have uploaded billions of miles. But I know you can't.

itsoktocry 5y ago

>could allow them to rapidly accelerate toward true FSD Every year a little BS is added, and the faithful believe this. There is zero evidence they collect the data they claim to.

panick21 5y ago
You think they are fake collecting data? I suppose they wrote code to create fake uploads from peoples cars. How deep is this conspiracy going. How does the FSD Beta work? Do they buy data from somewhere else? Or are all the people who have the FSD Beta paid by Tesla to create fake content. True conspiracy theory you have unraveled here.
- itsoktocry 5y ago
  >You think they are fake collecting data? I suppose they wrote code to create fake uploads from peoples cars. How deep is this conspiracy going. The conspiracy "keeps going" by the simple math of what they claim to collect vs what actually comes off of the cars and is stored. Do you have any idea the bandwidth and storage associated with endless hours of video storage? Where is it all accounted for? Do you think people are uploading hours and hours of video, from multiple cameras, through cell towers and it's completely unmeasurable? It's astonishing to me that people actually believe that's happening. They've been faking and exaggerating things for years. But yeah, sure, this is a real stretch. >How does the FSD Beta work? Do they buy data from somewhere else? They have some driving data and simulate the rest (something they used to say was a no-no). Did you even watch the presentation? The point is, they have no real "data" advantage over competitors. They literally had LiDAR rigs driving around cities collecting data...why, when they have a million cars submitting billions of miles worth of video? Let me guess, you're one of these layman who thinks the "neural net" is being trained every time the car disengages?
  - panick21 5y ago
    There are more the 1 million Tesla on the road. And they say they are using 1.5 million clips for the training. How is that even remotely unreasonable? And they are not uploading hours of video at the time. They literally explained in detail how they are sourcing videos, I'm sorry if you didn't pay attention or don't understand it. I have heard a lot of criticism of Tesla from experts, but not a single one questioned the video clip sourcing. I'm sorry but your claim of conspiracy has no credibility. > through cell towers and it's completely unmeasurable Do you have the measure of all Tesla data that went threw cell towers and can prove that they didn't upload a few million clips? Because I am 100% sure you don't have that data. > Let me guess, you're one of these layman who thinks the "neural net" is being trained every time the car disengages? I don't need to guess that you are dickhead.
    - itsoktocry 5y ago
      >They literally explained in detail how they are sourcing videos, I'm sorry if you didn't pay attention or don't understand it. I have heard a lot of criticism of Tesla from experts, but not a single one questioned the video clip sourcing. I realize they explained how they source the videos, which is in direct contradiction to previous claims. Was this your first rodeo? >Do you have the measure of all Tesla data that went threw cell towers and can prove that they didn't upload a few million clips? Right, it's now just a few million clips, not billions of miles of footage from multiple cameras, something they had previously claimed. Remember, their vast fleet video data was a massive competitive advantage. The goal posts changed last night. People questioned whether they ever had all that data (your "conspiracy"). Turns out they don't, and don't use it like that. So the "conspiracy" was correct. >I don't need to guess that you are dickhead. Lol, what a clown. Hope you get banned.
      - panick21 5y ago
        > I realize they explained how they source the videos, which is in direct contradiction to previous claims. No it isn't. You don't seem to understand the billions miles of driving compared to how much of that was actually uploaded. Please show me where they claim to have uploaded billions of miles. But I know you can't.