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The summary was irritating because it mentioned HFCS over and over as if it is the cause of excessive fructose consumption. But most HFCS is either 42% or 55% f

The summary was irritating because it mentioned HFCS over and over as if it is the cause of excessive fructose consumption. But most HFCS is either 42% or 55% fructose, while ordinary table sugar (sucrose) is 50% fructose. It seems to me that overconsumption of sucrose is just as bad for you as HFCS, in which case focusing attention on HFCS is harmful. People will drink Mexican Coca-Cola made from sucrose and think it is better for them because of this article.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
They ran the experiment with HFCS, so that's what they used in the conclusion. In practice I wouldn't expect different results with a bolus of table sugar. However, they didn't test that so they didn't make any claims about it. Mostly just being scientifically accurate.
- bcatanzaro 5y ago
  Yeah I think so too. But it’s unfortunate because people demonize HFCS for cultural reasons and this article just makes it worse. Like I said, drinking a Mexican coke isn’t going to result in significantly less fructose in your intestine. Even if I do agree that it tastes better. :)
  - arrosenberg 5y ago
    HFCS gets demonized because it's very cheap due to government subsidy. The obesity epidemic was already underway when (for example) Coke switched, but the switch helped keep prices of sweets low and fueled it further than it otherwise may have gone.
  - petre 5y ago
    Maybe it's demonized because in the US it's added to almost every possible food? Bread, milk, cereal, you name it.
User23 5y ago
It's remarkable how different pure dextrose/glucose/grape sugar lozenges make you feel than fructose candies. I wonder why l-glucose has never been used as an artificial zero calorie sweetener. Edit: expensive is a lame reason. Sugar isn’t the dominant factor in pricing and hasn’t been for quite a while. There’s a huge population of affluent consumers who would gladly pay a large premium for an authentic zero calorie sugar taste.
- bcatanzaro 5y ago
  Because it’s expensive to make since it’s incompatible with normal biological production.
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- kortex 5y ago
  Tagatose can be produced relatively easily and has 38% of the caloric content. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagatose https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagatose
fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
Not only table sugar: as I understand it, these results should be replicable with honey (and maybe agave syrup?) too. It really seems to me that a lot of health articles are systematically deceptive about the relative issues with HFCS vs. other sweeteners.
- gillytech 5y ago
  Honey does have slightly less fructose in it (IIRC ~40%). And it does contain beneficial micronutrients. But mostly it's just as "bad" for you as cane sugar or HFCS.
torstenvl 5y ago
Table sugar does not "contain" fructose, just like consuming table salt isn't like throwing a chunk of sodium down your throat. More directly, sucrose consumption isn't likely to result in a buffer overflow of fructose because your body regulates the breakdown of sucrose via sucrase production.
- bcatanzaro 5y ago
  If sucrase production was limited people would be able to easily poison themselves by eating too much sucrose. Sucrose intolerance from sucrase deficiency seems pretty rare though and I’ve never heard that your body regulates the breakdown of sucrose. Seems rather that the body makes how ever much sucrase is necessary to make sure the enzyme is not the limiting factor. I think to a first order, sucrose really is 50% fructose to the human body.
  - torstenvl 5y ago
    It's hard to parse out what you're trying to say here. Are you really equating anything less than infinite sucrase to a sucrase deficiency? Not-unlimited does not equal deficient.
- scoofy 5y ago
  >6. Could the real culprit in fatty liver disease be high-fructose corn syrup, not regular table sugar? After all, it says "high-fructose" right on the label. >Regular table sugar is made up of about 50% fructose, and a common formulation of high-fructose corn syrup (called "HFCS-55") contains 55% fructose. These products are similar enough that there is no evidence of differences in their impact on metabolic health. However, some commercially available formulations of high-fructose corn syrup contain higher proportions of fructose, such as 65% or even higher.21 We do not know whether the health consequences of these products differ from products containing lower concentrations of fructose. UCSF researchers seem to suggest that this isn't actually relevant https://sugarscience.ucsf.edu/alternate-views-toxic-truth.html https://sugarscience.ucsf.edu/alternate-views-toxic-truth.ht...
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uplifter 5y ago
In addition to overall fructose levels, its suggested that the ratio between glucose and fructose levels may be important for determining the changes to the nutrient absorption pattern. Figure 1 of the linked article illustrates a model by the study authors concerning the effects of glucose vs fructose on gut morphology and nutrient absorption pattern. As described in the caption, fructose up-regulates (ie stimulates) a biochemical pathway that leads to changes in the gut which cause increased nutrient absorption and lipid (ie fat) synthesis, but glucose down-regulates that same pathway. Put simply, fructose and glucose compete antagonistically to either promote higher nutrient absorption or lower it, respectively. One pushes the lever, the other pulls it, and the ratio will determine who wins. The linked summary article does not, however, state what the relationship between ratio and degree of effect is.
slicktux 5y ago
Yea but sucrose is different molecularly; the Glucose and Fructose are bonded whereas HFCS it’s a mixture of the two… so the former the body has to metabolize it while the latter it does not. So calorie intake is higher and fructose and glucose are absorbed faster and at higher amounts.
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PragmaticPulp 5y ago

They ran the experiment with HFCS, so that's what they used in the conclusion. In practice I wouldn't expect different results with a bolus of table sugar. However, they didn't test that so they didn't make any claims about it. Mostly just being scientifically accurate.

bcatanzaro 5y ago
Yeah I think so too. But it’s unfortunate because people demonize HFCS for cultural reasons and this article just makes it worse. Like I said, drinking a Mexican coke isn’t going to result in significantly less fructose in your intestine. Even if I do agree that it tastes better. :)
- arrosenberg 5y ago
  HFCS gets demonized because it's very cheap due to government subsidy. The obesity epidemic was already underway when (for example) Coke switched, but the switch helped keep prices of sweets low and fueled it further than it otherwise may have gone.
- petre 5y ago
  Maybe it's demonized because in the US it's added to almost every possible food? Bread, milk, cereal, you name it.

User23 5y ago

It's remarkable how different pure dextrose/glucose/grape sugar lozenges make you feel than fructose candies. I wonder why l-glucose has never been used as an artificial zero calorie sweetener. Edit: expensive is a lame reason. Sugar isn’t the dominant factor in pricing and hasn’t been for quite a while. There’s a huge population of affluent consumers who would gladly pay a large premium for an authentic zero calorie sugar taste.

bcatanzaro 5y ago
Because it’s expensive to make since it’s incompatible with normal biological production.
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kortex 5y ago
Tagatose can be produced relatively easily and has 38% of the caloric content. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagatose https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagatose

fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago

Not only table sugar: as I understand it, these results should be replicable with honey (and maybe agave syrup?) too. It really seems to me that a lot of health articles are systematically deceptive about the relative issues with HFCS vs. other sweeteners.

gillytech 5y ago
Honey does have slightly less fructose in it (IIRC ~40%). And it does contain beneficial micronutrients. But mostly it's just as "bad" for you as cane sugar or HFCS.

torstenvl 5y ago

Table sugar does not "contain" fructose, just like consuming table salt isn't like throwing a chunk of sodium down your throat. More directly, sucrose consumption isn't likely to result in a buffer overflow of fructose because your body regulates the breakdown of sucrose via sucrase production.

bcatanzaro 5y ago
If sucrase production was limited people would be able to easily poison themselves by eating too much sucrose. Sucrose intolerance from sucrase deficiency seems pretty rare though and I’ve never heard that your body regulates the breakdown of sucrose. Seems rather that the body makes how ever much sucrase is necessary to make sure the enzyme is not the limiting factor. I think to a first order, sucrose really is 50% fructose to the human body.
- torstenvl 5y ago
  It's hard to parse out what you're trying to say here. Are you really equating anything less than infinite sucrase to a sucrase deficiency? Not-unlimited does not equal deficient.
scoofy 5y ago
>6. Could the real culprit in fatty liver disease be high-fructose corn syrup, not regular table sugar? After all, it says "high-fructose" right on the label. >Regular table sugar is made up of about 50% fructose, and a common formulation of high-fructose corn syrup (called "HFCS-55") contains 55% fructose. These products are similar enough that there is no evidence of differences in their impact on metabolic health. However, some commercially available formulations of high-fructose corn syrup contain higher proportions of fructose, such as 65% or even higher.21 We do not know whether the health consequences of these products differ from products containing lower concentrations of fructose. UCSF researchers seem to suggest that this isn't actually relevant https://sugarscience.ucsf.edu/alternate-views-toxic-truth.html https://sugarscience.ucsf.edu/alternate-views-toxic-truth.ht...
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uplifter 5y ago

In addition to overall fructose levels, its suggested that the ratio between glucose and fructose levels may be important for determining the changes to the nutrient absorption pattern. Figure 1 of the linked article illustrates a model by the study authors concerning the effects of glucose vs fructose on gut morphology and nutrient absorption pattern. As described in the caption, fructose up-regulates (ie stimulates) a biochemical pathway that leads to changes in the gut which cause increased nutrient absorption and lipid (ie fat) synthesis, but glucose down-regulates that same pathway. Put simply, fructose and glucose compete antagonistically to either promote higher nutrient absorption or lower it, respectively. One pushes the lever, the other pulls it, and the ratio will determine who wins. The linked summary article does not, however, state what the relationship between ratio and degree of effect is.

slicktux 5y ago

Yea but sucrose is different molecularly; the Glucose and Fructose are bonded whereas HFCS it’s a mixture of the two… so the former the body has to metabolize it while the latter it does not. So calorie intake is higher and fructose and glucose are absorbed faster and at higher amounts.

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