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Patreon made similar decisions about four years ago when they began to tighten their terms for NSFW creators. https://www.engadget.com/2017-10-27-patreon-adult

Patreon made similar decisions about four years ago when they began to tighten their terms for NSFW creators. https://www.engadget.com/2017-10-27-patreon-adult-content-crowdfunding-uncertainty.html https://www.engadget.com/2017-10-27-patreon-adult-content-cr... Much of the pressure came from payment processing partners and banks, much like is described in this article. https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbqwwj/patreon-suspension-of-adult-content-creators https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbqwwj/patreon-suspension-of... It seems like for any crowdsourced funding platform there is a volume cap for NSFW content imposed by the need of those platforms to seek wider audiences and funding sources.

vwoolf 5y ago
I assume this will lead to Onlyfans's effective death, much as Tumblr's porn ban seems to have led to, or hastened, its death. Reddit seems to have resisted whatever calls it must be getting to eliminate porn. So far at least. It will ban or quarantine some heretical ideas, but porn is still there.
- alpaca128 5y ago
  Reddit doesn't let people pay directly for content. You can gift awards but those aren't really worth anything.
  - SlowRobotAhead 5y ago
    > Reddit doesn't let people pay directly for content. You can gift awards but those aren't really worth anything. Worth noting this scenario is even less similar than as you wrote it. Not only can’t you pay content creators on Reddit, but the awards, are you paying Reddit for hosting the creator. Reddit gets money, creator gets a png. It’s a really bad deal, and I’m not sure what kind of lunatic buys Reddit awards.
- fragmede 5y ago
  Reddit's gone to lengths to hide it, so casual users aren't hitting it by accident two clicks off an unrelated Google search result page, not on "/r/all", which gets advertisers what they want, without the uproar that banning porn would cause.
- falcolas 5y ago
  > Reddit seems to have resisted whatever calls it must be getting to eliminate porn Not entirely. They purged all NSFW subreddits from the r/all and r/popular meta subreddits. They also go on a purging binge whenever a remotely taboo subreddit makes the news.
  - ribosometronome 5y ago
    What "remotely taboo" subreddits were banned after making the news? The ones I recall weren't "remotely", they were "extremely". As in, sexual images of children, pictures taken of women without their knowledge, legitimate hate subreddits, ones dedicated to spreading misinformation re: COVID, etc.
    - pvarangot 5y ago
      r/The_Donald was "quarantined", which is not banning but kinda. The excuse I think was that they did "organized brigading" or something like that.
      - ribosometronome 5y ago
        They were eventually banned after the quarantine. But they also spent years promoting racism, hate, dangerous conspiracy theories, a neo-nazi rally that resulted in murder, etc. It's hard to look at all of that and think it was just "kind of taboo".
        wincy 5y ago
        I went to the Donald all the time to get a different perspective and if there was racism and hate any worse than /r/politicalhumor or /r/politics I never saw it.
        SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        I started doing the same after the Pulse Nightclub shooting when literally the rest of Reddit was censoring and preventing discussion because it was almost immediately known the shooter was Muslim. It was the only place you could go for a live thread and actual info. Over time, the signal to noise was low. But occasionally there was a good point or funny meme. I can't say for sure I saw any racism worse than anywhere else. I really don't like when people use whatever this is ((( ))) to talk about Jews, saw that a couple times on t_d, but I've definitely also seen it on /r/politics /r/atheism etc
rchaud 5y ago
Somehow they manage to get away with DMCA violations however. Lots of 'reaction' channels (where people watch along with a TV show or Youtube clip) now only post heavily truncated preview videos on Youtube. The full videos, which include the copyrighted content, sits on Patreon.
fragmede 5y ago
It's a dollar cap - process enough dollars per month or per year, and Visa/Mastercard takes notice (as mentioned by Vice). For all the furor, taking payment via crypto's not viable outside of specific niches. Or rather, OnlyFans did the X vs Y of kick x-rated content off the platform vs get kicked off Visa/Mastercard's "platform", and is going with option 1.
hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
So basically this just begs for the owners to create two clearly differentiated brands: (1) the current one will probably die like Tumblr but they have some high-profile non-porn creators so I think they will keep going for a while, (2) the second one geared towards porn mainly and accepting alternative payment methods like Webmoney, Paysafecard and others. They can start accepting credit cards and Paypal initially to gain users, and when the pressure builds up, drop the banks and hope that the users are so attached to their content they'll use the alternative methods.
claudiawerner 5y ago
Patreon went one step further - if you post content against Patreon's rules anywhere else, even if you don't link to it, if Patreon finds out, they'll ask you to stop doing it, and threaten to suspend your account if you keep doing it. This is why many people who post fetish-y art (even stuff like mind-control kink) moved from Patreon to SubscribeStar. Even erotic roleplay site F-List moved to SubscribeStar.
- CamperBob2 5y ago
  Patreon went one step further - if you post content against Patreon's rules anywhere else, even if you don't link to it, if Patreon finds out, they'll ask you to stop doing it, and threaten to suspend your account if you keep doing it. That sounds outrageous. Is there a link to more info about this policy?
  - Consultant32452 5y ago
    Not generally about the policy, but there is one famous instance I'm aware of: Sargon of Akkad. It was something to the effect of him calling the neo-Nazis the N-word on someone else's Youtube channel. To be clear, he used the slur AGAINST the neo-nazis. Then Patreon dumped him. Here's the first Google result I found about it, no guarantees of accuracy. https://heavy.com/news/2018/12/patreon-sargon-of-akkad-jordan-peterson/ https://heavy.com/news/2018/12/patreon-sargon-of-akkad-jorda...
    - 7sidedmarble 5y ago
      Thinking that's ok cause you're saying it to a bad person is some... high levels of mental gymnastics
      - Consultant32452 5y ago
        There's a very large gap between thinking something is okay and thinking they should not be able to participate in the economy and feed their family.
  - 5y ago

vwoolf 5y ago

I assume this will lead to Onlyfans's effective death, much as Tumblr's porn ban seems to have led to, or hastened, its death. Reddit seems to have resisted whatever calls it must be getting to eliminate porn. So far at least. It will ban or quarantine some heretical ideas, but porn is still there.

alpaca128 5y ago
Reddit doesn't let people pay directly for content. You can gift awards but those aren't really worth anything.
- SlowRobotAhead 5y ago
  > Reddit doesn't let people pay directly for content. You can gift awards but those aren't really worth anything. Worth noting this scenario is even less similar than as you wrote it. Not only can’t you pay content creators on Reddit, but the awards, are you paying Reddit for hosting the creator. Reddit gets money, creator gets a png. It’s a really bad deal, and I’m not sure what kind of lunatic buys Reddit awards.
fragmede 5y ago
Reddit's gone to lengths to hide it, so casual users aren't hitting it by accident two clicks off an unrelated Google search result page, not on "/r/all", which gets advertisers what they want, without the uproar that banning porn would cause.
falcolas 5y ago
> Reddit seems to have resisted whatever calls it must be getting to eliminate porn Not entirely. They purged all NSFW subreddits from the r/all and r/popular meta subreddits. They also go on a purging binge whenever a remotely taboo subreddit makes the news.
- ribosometronome 5y ago
  What "remotely taboo" subreddits were banned after making the news? The ones I recall weren't "remotely", they were "extremely". As in, sexual images of children, pictures taken of women without their knowledge, legitimate hate subreddits, ones dedicated to spreading misinformation re: COVID, etc.
  - pvarangot 5y ago
    r/The_Donald was "quarantined", which is not banning but kinda. The excuse I think was that they did "organized brigading" or something like that.
    - ribosometronome 5y ago
      They were eventually banned after the quarantine. But they also spent years promoting racism, hate, dangerous conspiracy theories, a neo-nazi rally that resulted in murder, etc. It's hard to look at all of that and think it was just "kind of taboo".
      - wincy 5y ago
        I went to the Donald all the time to get a different perspective and if there was racism and hate any worse than /r/politicalhumor or /r/politics I never saw it.
        SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        I started doing the same after the Pulse Nightclub shooting when literally the rest of Reddit was censoring and preventing discussion because it was almost immediately known the shooter was Muslim. It was the only place you could go for a live thread and actual info. Over time, the signal to noise was low. But occasionally there was a good point or funny meme. I can't say for sure I saw any racism worse than anywhere else. I really don't like when people use whatever this is ((( ))) to talk about Jews, saw that a couple times on t_d, but I've definitely also seen it on /r/politics /r/atheism etc

rchaud 5y ago

Somehow they manage to get away with DMCA violations however. Lots of 'reaction' channels (where people watch along with a TV show or Youtube clip) now only post heavily truncated preview videos on Youtube. The full videos, which include the copyrighted content, sits on Patreon.

fragmede 5y ago

It's a dollar cap - process enough dollars per month or per year, and Visa/Mastercard takes notice (as mentioned by Vice). For all the furor, taking payment via crypto's not viable outside of specific niches. Or rather, OnlyFans did the X vs Y of kick x-rated content off the platform vs get kicked off Visa/Mastercard's "platform", and is going with option 1.

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago

So basically this just begs for the owners to create two clearly differentiated brands: (1) the current one will probably die like Tumblr but they have some high-profile non-porn creators so I think they will keep going for a while, (2) the second one geared towards porn mainly and accepting alternative payment methods like Webmoney, Paysafecard and others. They can start accepting credit cards and Paypal initially to gain users, and when the pressure builds up, drop the banks and hope that the users are so attached to their content they'll use the alternative methods.

claudiawerner 5y ago

Patreon went one step further - if you post content against Patreon's rules anywhere else, even if you don't link to it, if Patreon finds out, they'll ask you to stop doing it, and threaten to suspend your account if you keep doing it. This is why many people who post fetish-y art (even stuff like mind-control kink) moved from Patreon to SubscribeStar. Even erotic roleplay site F-List moved to SubscribeStar.

CamperBob2 5y ago
Patreon went one step further - if you post content against Patreon's rules anywhere else, even if you don't link to it, if Patreon finds out, they'll ask you to stop doing it, and threaten to suspend your account if you keep doing it. That sounds outrageous. Is there a link to more info about this policy?
- Consultant32452 5y ago
  Not generally about the policy, but there is one famous instance I'm aware of: Sargon of Akkad. It was something to the effect of him calling the neo-Nazis the N-word on someone else's Youtube channel. To be clear, he used the slur AGAINST the neo-nazis. Then Patreon dumped him. Here's the first Google result I found about it, no guarantees of accuracy. https://heavy.com/news/2018/12/patreon-sargon-of-akkad-jordan-peterson/ https://heavy.com/news/2018/12/patreon-sargon-of-akkad-jorda...
  - 7sidedmarble 5y ago
    Thinking that's ok cause you're saying it to a bad person is some... high levels of mental gymnastics
    - Consultant32452 5y ago
      There's a very large gap between thinking something is okay and thinking they should not be able to participate in the economy and feed their family.
- 5y ago