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And this is why corporate breakups are often as rude and traumatizing as the swipe card rejecting entry, you contact security and they tell you that you’ve been

And this is why corporate breakups are often as rude and traumatizing as the swipe card rejecting entry, you contact security and they tell you that you’ve been fired. I don’t know how we can be a better society, but I know we’re not there yet ;)

mistrial9 5y ago
flipping the subject - my ex-colleague, a kind and talkative man, was deeply upset when a dot-com fired and locked out his co-worker over lunchtime, with no advance notice at all. Was it a "security problem" or was it slaver culture from the Third World in charge of personnel ? I mean, this is the Bay Area / Silicon Valley here, I am actually not kidding about slaver culture. The "money" wants complete control, and sees brusque, abrubt and no-alternative contract management as a big plus. Maybe this leads to a security problem mentioned as the topic? Talkative, kind people do wonder ...
- munk-a 5y ago
  You likely spent (pre-pandemic) more time with your coworkers than your spouse on an average day. Most everyone at your company has close bonds to a number of their coworkers and most people define the positive qualities of their workplace around their coworkers rather than the employer or the work. Losing a coworker is quite similar to a friend's parents moving them to a different school district - it's not uncommon to suffer a brief crisis as your brain copes with the change in expectations around what work will be like. It is an extremely bad idea to bring coworkers into the scene at the time of firing and it's an even worse idea[1] to bring unnecessary people into the decision about firing - especially if they effectively have no voice in the decision. You probably won't notice most of your coworkers leaving - but there are a few you'd likely feel deeply and people do occasionally need to move on. Go grab a coffee with them after the fact (or during their two weeks notice if that applies) and get your empathy in - but before someone is formally let go it will just hurt moral to spread that news too widely.
ufmace 5y ago
This is true, and the way things tend to work, but still short-sighted IMO. I don't think it's a good idea to design every process around the worst thing that could possibly happen. It further alienates the 99% of people who wouldn't do something like that, as well as everyone who witnesses it, to save the usually pretty mild pain from the 1% who actually do something bad.
jobigoud 5y ago
In many places you can't be fired on a whim. There is an incompressible period of weeks. You can get credentials revoked obviously but it fosters a different dynamic.

mistrial9 5y ago

flipping the subject - my ex-colleague, a kind and talkative man, was deeply upset when a dot-com fired and locked out his co-worker over lunchtime, with no advance notice at all. Was it a "security problem" or was it slaver culture from the Third World in charge of personnel ? I mean, this is the Bay Area / Silicon Valley here, I am actually not kidding about slaver culture. The "money" wants complete control, and sees brusque, abrubt and no-alternative contract management as a big plus. Maybe this leads to a security problem mentioned as the topic? Talkative, kind people do wonder ...

munk-a 5y ago
You likely spent (pre-pandemic) more time with your coworkers than your spouse on an average day. Most everyone at your company has close bonds to a number of their coworkers and most people define the positive qualities of their workplace around their coworkers rather than the employer or the work. Losing a coworker is quite similar to a friend's parents moving them to a different school district - it's not uncommon to suffer a brief crisis as your brain copes with the change in expectations around what work will be like. It is an extremely bad idea to bring coworkers into the scene at the time of firing and it's an even worse idea[1] to bring unnecessary people into the decision about firing - especially if they effectively have no voice in the decision. You probably won't notice most of your coworkers leaving - but there are a few you'd likely feel deeply and people do occasionally need to move on. Go grab a coffee with them after the fact (or during their two weeks notice if that applies) and get your empathy in - but before someone is formally let go it will just hurt moral to spread that news too widely.

ufmace 5y ago

This is true, and the way things tend to work, but still short-sighted IMO. I don't think it's a good idea to design every process around the worst thing that could possibly happen. It further alienates the 99% of people who wouldn't do something like that, as well as everyone who witnesses it, to save the usually pretty mild pain from the 1% who actually do something bad.

jobigoud 5y ago

In many places you can't be fired on a whim. There is an incompressible period of weeks. You can get credentials revoked obviously but it fosters a different dynamic.