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> But more philosophically, it's your own device being turned against you to check you for criminal behavior. That's very different from somebody else checking

> But more philosophically, it's your own device being turned against you to check you for criminal behavior. That's very different from somebody else checking up on you after you willingly interact with them. This literally only works once you willing send photos to iCloud.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
You can't buy a car in EU that doesn't have a sim card. All Tractors have a computer that locks out the machine if it doesn't like something and phones home. Almost every TV on sale is 'smart' and spies on what you are saying. Coffee machines, lights and toasters are now internet connected, and all of them send data to a server that will be scanning for the 'wrong' material. in 10 years there will be nowhere to hide.
- simondotau 5y ago
  > You can't buy a car in EU that doesn't have a sim card. Wait, what?
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    Its used for an emergency rescue system, and i believe it's mandatory in all new cars https://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/its/road/action_plan/ecall_en https://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/its/road/action_plan/e...
stjohnswarts 5y ago
For now. There is no technical hurdle preventing them from scanning everything locally and reporting back.
- shuckles 5y ago
  There wasn’t such a hurdle before or in the counterfactual where they built infrastructure to scan iCloud while also keeping iCloud Backups for every device.
- nodamage 5y ago
  I mean, that has always been the case. I'm not sure why there is so much paranoia over this hypothetical situation when this hypothetical has actually existed since the first iPhone shipped in 2007.
foerbert 5y ago
Right. I mentioned that. It's still your own device doing it. It's like announcing to your family member you're going to tell your neighbor you committed a crime and your family member turns you in first. Yeah, you could expect your neighbor to do the same, but are you really not going to feel any differently about the fact it was your family that turned you in?

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

You can't buy a car in EU that doesn't have a sim card. All Tractors have a computer that locks out the machine if it doesn't like something and phones home. Almost every TV on sale is 'smart' and spies on what you are saying. Coffee machines, lights and toasters are now internet connected, and all of them send data to a server that will be scanning for the 'wrong' material. in 10 years there will be nowhere to hide.

simondotau 5y ago
> You can't buy a car in EU that doesn't have a sim card. Wait, what?
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Its used for an emergency rescue system, and i believe it's mandatory in all new cars https://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/its/road/action_plan/ecall_en https://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/its/road/action_plan/e...

stjohnswarts 5y ago

For now. There is no technical hurdle preventing them from scanning everything locally and reporting back.

shuckles 5y ago
There wasn’t such a hurdle before or in the counterfactual where they built infrastructure to scan iCloud while also keeping iCloud Backups for every device.
nodamage 5y ago
I mean, that has always been the case. I'm not sure why there is so much paranoia over this hypothetical situation when this hypothetical has actually existed since the first iPhone shipped in 2007.

foerbert 5y ago

Right. I mentioned that. It's still your own device doing it. It's like announcing to your family member you're going to tell your neighbor you committed a crime and your family member turns you in first. Yeah, you could expect your neighbor to do the same, but are you really not going to feel any differently about the fact it was your family that turned you in?