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They increased not because they deserved it, but because of their race and the change on policies. If Asians werent being specifcxally targeted but Blacks incre

They increased not because they deserved it, but because of their race and the change on policies. If Asians werent being specifcxally targeted but Blacks increased because their test scores increased, no one would complain. That’s what competition is all about. Everyone would celebrate their success. But stacking the deck against Asians and letting in people via lottery strictly to change the skin color statistics is abhorrent. No one cares if Asians are discriminated against, even though they deserve their place at TJ through hard work.

UncleMeat 5y ago
> If Asians werent being specifcxally targeted but Blacks increased because their test scores increased, no one would complain. Sort of. The problem is that many people do not believe that the test scores are an accurate representation of merit or an effective way of distributing the limited enrollment slots. People take it as a given that there must be an enrollment test but that itself is a policy devised by humans rather than something handed down from heaven. > But stacking the deck against Asians and letting in people via lottery strictly to change the skin color statistics is abhorrent. How does a lottery stack the deck against Asian students? > No one cares if Asians are discriminated against, even though they deserve their place at TJ through hard work. If you want to fight to ensure that people who "deserve" TJ have access, then the solution is to largely destroy the magnet school model and replace it with co-education with GMU next door. But for many people, the limited access is the point, because it allows people to read in magazines that TJ is the best public school in the country. It isn't like prior to this change that there weren't huge numbers of qualified students turned away from TJ.
- farmerstan 5y ago
  > How does a lottery stack the deck against Asian students? Enrollment dropped 25% for Asians. There’s nothing to argue here. People argue that the tests arent “fair” because of cultural bias. So unless you think the TJ tests were designed for Asians in mind, why is it that Asians didn’t suffer from this cultural bias but others did? Or do you think the tests were written with white and Asian culture in mind? Or maybe the idea of cultural bias in tests is bullshit since Asian students were excelling at a supposedly “white” test, and it’s really just a reflection of how hard a student is willing to study?

UncleMeat 5y ago

> If Asians werent being specifcxally targeted but Blacks increased because their test scores increased, no one would complain. Sort of. The problem is that many people do not believe that the test scores are an accurate representation of merit or an effective way of distributing the limited enrollment slots. People take it as a given that there must be an enrollment test but that itself is a policy devised by humans rather than something handed down from heaven. > But stacking the deck against Asians and letting in people via lottery strictly to change the skin color statistics is abhorrent. How does a lottery stack the deck against Asian students? > No one cares if Asians are discriminated against, even though they deserve their place at TJ through hard work. If you want to fight to ensure that people who "deserve" TJ have access, then the solution is to largely destroy the magnet school model and replace it with co-education with GMU next door. But for many people, the limited access is the point, because it allows people to read in magazines that TJ is the best public school in the country. It isn't like prior to this change that there weren't huge numbers of qualified students turned away from TJ.

farmerstan 5y ago
> How does a lottery stack the deck against Asian students? Enrollment dropped 25% for Asians. There’s nothing to argue here. People argue that the tests arent “fair” because of cultural bias. So unless you think the TJ tests were designed for Asians in mind, why is it that Asians didn’t suffer from this cultural bias but others did? Or do you think the tests were written with white and Asian culture in mind? Or maybe the idea of cultural bias in tests is bullshit since Asian students were excelling at a supposedly “white” test, and it’s really just a reflection of how hard a student is willing to study?