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> convincing parents to spend a little more to get their children an iPhone as their first phone What do you mean here: I don't think makes things any safer fo

> convincing parents to spend a little more to get their children an iPhone as their first phone What do you mean here: I don't think makes things any safer for child _users_ of iPhones, does it? It's scanning for images of child sexual abuse. (To anyone inclined to respond without reading the context, I'm not suggesting that there's no privacy concern if you're not sharing CP. I'm addressing OP's hypothetical that some parents will see owning an iPhone as safer for their child)

halostatue 5y ago
There are two main features that cause concern. The one that has been getting the most attention and noise is the CSAM scanning. That only happens on upload of images to iCloud Photos (currently only in the US). No automatic notification of any law enforcement agency is done, and there is a threshold requirement before Apple reviews the account and then submits a report. The second feature is iMessage specific. Parents have to enable this on their account on behalf of their children, and it only applies to minors (_probably_ just children under 13, possibly older; I am not clear on that). This looks for (mostly outbound?) messages going to the child's phone for “unsafe” images (e.g., nudity). If those messages are found, _the parent_ is notified. No one else. I have _more_ concerns about the second feature as it is likely to be abused by controlling parents and is more likely to negatively impact children who are questioning their gender or sexuality. But this is _explicitly_ a feature to protect kids from sharing sexual images of themselves.
wutbrodo 5y ago
Ah, thanks for the details. Though I still don't see how the parent comment's theory holds: I suspect that the PR backlash would be far smaller/nonexistent for this feature than for the CSAM one, as we already accept that the rights of minors are heavily curtailed.

halostatue 5y ago

There are two main features that cause concern. The one that has been getting the most attention and noise is the CSAM scanning. That only happens on upload of images to iCloud Photos (currently only in the US). No automatic notification of any law enforcement agency is done, and there is a threshold requirement before Apple reviews the account and then submits a report. The second feature is iMessage specific. Parents have to enable this on their account on behalf of their children, and it only applies to minors (_probably_ just children under 13, possibly older; I am not clear on that). This looks for (mostly outbound?) messages going to the child's phone for “unsafe” images (e.g., nudity). If those messages are found, _the parent_ is notified. No one else. I have _more_ concerns about the second feature as it is likely to be abused by controlling parents and is more likely to negatively impact children who are questioning their gender or sexuality. But this is _explicitly_ a feature to protect kids from sharing sexual images of themselves.

wutbrodo 5y ago

Ah, thanks for the details. Though I still don't see how the parent comment's theory holds: I suspect that the PR backlash would be far smaller/nonexistent for this feature than for the CSAM one, as we already accept that the rights of minors are heavily curtailed.