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I have tried this, and despite my best efforts, its actually good. the premise: Wiimes sitting in a room talking. Expected outcome: utter shit show. Actual o

I have tried this, and despite my best efforts, its actually good. the premise: Wiimes sitting in a room talking. Expected outcome: utter shit show. Actual outcome: Surprisingly good Why is it good? 1) Audio. you can turn to the person next to you and talk privately without interrupting the main flow of the meeting. There is none of this "no.... you speak......no.... you". You can interact normally like they were just there. The spatial audio is top notch. 2) presentations presenting is really simple, and you can see the people who are asking you questions. Not only that but taking Q&As is much better and quicker than on VC. 3) drawings, you can have a white board thats persistent in that meeting series. yes, I know, yaaaa booo facebook sucks. But actually this is quite good, you should try it. What don't I like about it? I don't like using the controller as a pen, its clumsy and only works on a flat, clean surface. but, if that can be fixed, it'll be a brilliant addition

wantsanagent 5y ago
About the pen, can you tell us more about what you'd like to see there? How would you like to use it?
- KaiserPro 5y ago
  Thats a good question, I would love to be able to use just one finger and treat it like making marks in sand, however thats challenging as if you don't have a "touch" sensor to let you know when you're touching the paper. I would love to be able to use my wacom, but I suspect thats a long way down the list of feature requests that are important
  - josephg 5y ago
    A Wacom might be a reasonable option because those tablets can tell when you’re hovering over them. So long as the user can find the pen on their desk, you wouldn’t need to track the pen location just from the VR cameras. You could use the tablet data stream directly.
- dougmwne 5y ago
  I also don't like the pen. It's clever to turn the controller upsidedown, that at least makes it tolerable. The desk whiteboard works a lot better than drawing in space without tactile feedback as well. If this went mainstream, I would need a tracked pen that I could hold normally and see on the VR desk. The Quest seems to be able to track known objects like with a few keyboard models, so maybe load in the model of a standard dry erase marker.
dougmwne 5y ago
I have also tried this and I think it will be the eventual future of remote meetings. The avatars have some fake lip tracking they do based on your voice, but I think eye and face tracking will be essential for wider adoption. I would like to see improved remote desktop support, mine was pretty laggy. Would be nice to include a browser so you don't have to even bother with the remote desktop app. There should be powerpoint support too instead of only images. Would be nice if the meeting chat showed up on the desk as well instead of having to access through remote desktop. The account creation process and headset pairing was pretty painful, would like to see that streamlined. I am curious to try the tracked keyboard with my MacBook.
- baby 5y ago
  > but I think eye and face tracking will be essential for wider adoption It's coming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XcQtoja_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XcQtoja_Y
  - astlouis44 5y ago
    There's a future for this not only in VR, but 3D meeting apps as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-gyxlGi5ao&t=3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-gyxlGi5ao&t=3s
  - caslon 5y ago
    There are already headsets with eye tracking on the market, like some of the new Pico models, for example.
- ghaff 5y ago
  >I have also tried this and I think it will be the eventual future of remote meetings. There are really two types of meetings (at the extremes). Some (the minority) are where a small engaged group is actively collaborating. I can imagine more immersive tools are good for this sort of thing. But a lot of meetings are the sort you multitask in. You want the general update and you're paying enough attention so that you can participate if something relevant to you comes up. For that, I may turn my camera off and certainly don't want deep immersion.
klyrs 5y ago
I don't have an Oculus, but I occasionally suffer days with 4+ hours of meetings. How long will you be happy wearing that headset?
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  Are these workspaces limited to people who own the oculus headset?
  - dougmwne 5y ago
    No, you can also join as a video conference window instead of an avatar.
habosa 5y ago
Been saying it to anyone who would listen for the last 3 years: top notch spatial audio is the main thing our current online meeting platforms are missing. Nobody seems to care or get it. I wish someone other than Facebook had figured it out but I’m just glad someone did!
- astlouis44 5y ago
  Check out VRland.io/lobby, have had it for months already!
prawn 5y ago
Could you see it being used for remote family catch-ups?

wantsanagent 5y ago

About the pen, can you tell us more about what you'd like to see there? How would you like to use it?

KaiserPro 5y ago
Thats a good question, I would love to be able to use just one finger and treat it like making marks in sand, however thats challenging as if you don't have a "touch" sensor to let you know when you're touching the paper. I would love to be able to use my wacom, but I suspect thats a long way down the list of feature requests that are important
- josephg 5y ago
  A Wacom might be a reasonable option because those tablets can tell when you’re hovering over them. So long as the user can find the pen on their desk, you wouldn’t need to track the pen location just from the VR cameras. You could use the tablet data stream directly.
dougmwne 5y ago
I also don't like the pen. It's clever to turn the controller upsidedown, that at least makes it tolerable. The desk whiteboard works a lot better than drawing in space without tactile feedback as well. If this went mainstream, I would need a tracked pen that I could hold normally and see on the VR desk. The Quest seems to be able to track known objects like with a few keyboard models, so maybe load in the model of a standard dry erase marker.

dougmwne 5y ago

I have also tried this and I think it will be the eventual future of remote meetings. The avatars have some fake lip tracking they do based on your voice, but I think eye and face tracking will be essential for wider adoption. I would like to see improved remote desktop support, mine was pretty laggy. Would be nice to include a browser so you don't have to even bother with the remote desktop app. There should be powerpoint support too instead of only images. Would be nice if the meeting chat showed up on the desk as well instead of having to access through remote desktop. The account creation process and headset pairing was pretty painful, would like to see that streamlined. I am curious to try the tracked keyboard with my MacBook.

baby 5y ago
> but I think eye and face tracking will be essential for wider adoption It's coming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XcQtoja_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XcQtoja_Y
- astlouis44 5y ago
  There's a future for this not only in VR, but 3D meeting apps as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-gyxlGi5ao&t=3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-gyxlGi5ao&t=3s
- caslon 5y ago
  There are already headsets with eye tracking on the market, like some of the new Pico models, for example.
ghaff 5y ago
>I have also tried this and I think it will be the eventual future of remote meetings. There are really two types of meetings (at the extremes). Some (the minority) are where a small engaged group is actively collaborating. I can imagine more immersive tools are good for this sort of thing. But a lot of meetings are the sort you multitask in. You want the general update and you're paying enough attention so that you can participate if something relevant to you comes up. For that, I may turn my camera off and certainly don't want deep immersion.

klyrs 5y ago

I don't have an Oculus, but I occasionally suffer days with 4+ hours of meetings. How long will you be happy wearing that headset?

jazzyjackson 5y ago
Are these workspaces limited to people who own the oculus headset?
- dougmwne 5y ago
  No, you can also join as a video conference window instead of an avatar.

habosa 5y ago

Been saying it to anyone who would listen for the last 3 years: top notch spatial audio is the main thing our current online meeting platforms are missing. Nobody seems to care or get it. I wish someone other than Facebook had figured it out but I’m just glad someone did!

astlouis44 5y ago
Check out VRland.io/lobby, have had it for months already!

prawn 5y ago

Could you see it being used for remote family catch-ups?