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OpenAI is approximately as open as the German Democratic Republic or Democratic People's Republic of Korea were/are democratic.

cryptonector 5y ago
Lenin believed in democracy. That is: "democracy of the elite". That is: democracy in the politburo. That is: democracy among a group of a handful of people. And no more. By Lenin's definition the all those Democratic People's Republics really were democratic. What that means for OpenAI, I don't know :/
- tyre 5y ago
  This is how America was conceived as well. Democracy was not meant to be universal and there were checks placed even on the limited portion of society who could vote. The electoral college, for example, is set up this way. The idea is that electors—who were not democratically elected—could block a populist candidate. As we saw in 2016, this check failed.
  - cryptonector 5y ago
    Not the same. Lenin believed in a democracy of not more than 8 or so people. The bolsheviks won the Soviet elections and Lenin still staged a coup. The American Constitution is an indirect democracy. Direct at the local level, indirect at the Federal level (though eventually by statute and amendment it became direct for Congress). > As we saw in 2016, this check failed. Nonsense. That "failure mode" was designed for. It has happened a few times. Working as expected.
  - drdeca 5y ago
    Huh? Are electors not, y’know, technically who one is voting between when one votes for president? If you mean “what electors are on the ballot” isn’t democratically decided, but rather, is determined by the parties, then yeah I guess that’s true?
- dotcommand 5y ago
  > By Lenin's definition the all those Democratic People's Republics really were democratic. Not by lenin's definition. Just the definition of democracy and where it came from. We get democracy comes from the greeks - where only the wealthy slave owning elites could vote. The founders also followed that model. Only wealthy landowning whites could vote. The first few elections only like 4 or 5% of the population voted. Isn't it crazy how propaganda has shifted your understanding of democracy? Democracy was never "of the people, by the people, for the people ", it was always about the elite few.
  - cryptonector 5y ago
    > The founders also followed that model. Only wealthy landowning whites could vote. The first few elections only like 4 or 5% of the population voted. The Founders did not write that into the Constitution. > Isn't it crazy how propaganda has shifted your understanding of democracy? Democracy was never "of the people, by the people, for the people ", it was always about the elite few. Propaganda is what you're writing.
    - dotcommand 5y ago
      > The Founders did not write that into the Constitution. Because the founders wanted voting to be controlled at the state level, not the federal level... > Propaganda is what you're writing. Historical facts is propaganda? So what is propaganda? That only landowning whites could vote? Democracy came from the ancient greeks? That ancient greeks owned slaves and only allowed wealthy slave owners to vote?

cryptonector 5y ago

Lenin believed in democracy. That is: "democracy of the elite". That is: democracy in the politburo. That is: democracy among a group of a handful of people. And no more. By Lenin's definition the all those Democratic People's Republics really were democratic. What that means for OpenAI, I don't know :/

tyre 5y ago
This is how America was conceived as well. Democracy was not meant to be universal and there were checks placed even on the limited portion of society who could vote. The electoral college, for example, is set up this way. The idea is that electors—who were not democratically elected—could block a populist candidate. As we saw in 2016, this check failed.
- cryptonector 5y ago
  Not the same. Lenin believed in a democracy of not more than 8 or so people. The bolsheviks won the Soviet elections and Lenin still staged a coup. The American Constitution is an indirect democracy. Direct at the local level, indirect at the Federal level (though eventually by statute and amendment it became direct for Congress). > As we saw in 2016, this check failed. Nonsense. That "failure mode" was designed for. It has happened a few times. Working as expected.
- drdeca 5y ago
  Huh? Are electors not, y’know, technically who one is voting between when one votes for president? If you mean “what electors are on the ballot” isn’t democratically decided, but rather, is determined by the parties, then yeah I guess that’s true?
dotcommand 5y ago
> By Lenin's definition the all those Democratic People's Republics really were democratic. Not by lenin's definition. Just the definition of democracy and where it came from. We get democracy comes from the greeks - where only the wealthy slave owning elites could vote. The founders also followed that model. Only wealthy landowning whites could vote. The first few elections only like 4 or 5% of the population voted. Isn't it crazy how propaganda has shifted your understanding of democracy? Democracy was never "of the people, by the people, for the people ", it was always about the elite few.
- cryptonector 5y ago
  > The founders also followed that model. Only wealthy landowning whites could vote. The first few elections only like 4 or 5% of the population voted. The Founders did not write that into the Constitution. > Isn't it crazy how propaganda has shifted your understanding of democracy? Democracy was never "of the people, by the people, for the people ", it was always about the elite few. Propaganda is what you're writing.
  - dotcommand 5y ago
    > The Founders did not write that into the Constitution. Because the founders wanted voting to be controlled at the state level, not the federal level... > Propaganda is what you're writing. Historical facts is propaganda? So what is propaganda? That only landowning whites could vote? Democracy came from the ancient greeks? That ancient greeks owned slaves and only allowed wealthy slave owners to vote?