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Well since Apple gets away scot-free and legions of Apple fans defend Apple's policy to the death, one can fully understand why Microsoft is going this route. T

Well since Apple gets away scot-free and legions of Apple fans defend Apple's policy to the death, one can fully understand why Microsoft is going this route. They can always point to Apple being the deeply-admired trend-setter for removal of choice. You can use any browser of your choice if its a Microsoft Edge theme. You can always switch operating systems if you don't like this after all.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
It always baffled me how Apple is allowed to limit its users to only browsers based on its proprietary engine and nobody bats an eye but everyone throws a fit when Microsoft pushes Edge. Not trying to defend either, it's just the double standards feel puzzling to me.
- akudha 5y ago
  Apple removes headphone jack. Others follow suit, shamelessly, after mocking Apple. They make repairing their devices near impossible, others follow. And on and on.
- aNoob7000 5y ago
  I agree with you that Apple should be held to a different standard on their iPhone platform, but Microsoft Windows came up during a different era and is basically a monopoly on the desktop. Right now, Apple's smartphone market share in the USA is only 50%. Microsoft's Windows is probably at 80%+ of the desktop market.
pomian 5y ago
Can you no longer use Firefox under the new Mac OS? Or iOS? (I haven't had to troubleshoot anyone's new-er Mac for awhile. It used to be a staple energy drain on time resources, but everyone I'm exposed to, is trying not to upgrade.)
- aNoob7000 5y ago
  I'm running the latest version of Firefox on a Mac mini with M1 processor. They are talking about iOS.
- javchz 5y ago
  In iOS or ipadOS browsers like chrome or Firefox are just visual skins of safari. The TOS for devs, doesn't allow them to use their own engine, only a webview
  - pomian 5y ago
    Thanks. What's the point of a Firefox skin? Except as a sign of political protest?? That closed iOS app world is becoming more frustrating. I assume it is not worth the effort for Firefox to build a new Apple approved app, because it may be pulled with any new Apple rule or policy, and Apple may not want Firefox period?
    - vurpo 5y ago
      For me, it's the ability to have Firefox Sync, Firefox's tracking blocker (although ad blocking isn't available unfortunately), and the familiar visual UI of Firefox. It's not literally a "skin", Firefox on iOS is actually a separate Apple-approved app. It's just that they're forced to embed the Safari engine rather than using Gecko for it.
- touristtam 5y ago
  Works fine on MacOS (BigSur) https://github.com/johnste/finicky https://github.com/johnste/finicky As for iOS: yes stuck with safari as default.
  - ahtaarra 5y ago
    As a user concerned with the influence Google has over the web, forcing WebKit is something I can accept on iOS even though popular browsers on iOS, in my view, don't seem to be as feature-rich as their Android counterparts. A worse offence is having a platform so locked down that clearing opened apps from the recents menu has to be done one by one instead of having a simple single "clear all" solution the alternative to which is using a 'tweak' which would necessitate having a jailbroken phone which would, in turn, involve connecting the phone to a computer to get jailbroken on each restart or a more convoluted method. Another widely-known issue: when using apps with an alternative store like AltStore without jailbreak, you either need to connect to a Windows/MacOS or use some tweak to have on-device signing enabled within every seven days unless you have a Apple Developer subscription. Moreover, iOS has "slide to poweroff" but there is no convenient way to restart[1]: Xiaomi copied the UX and even made it better by needing less steps. Even simple changes requiring steps so radical (perhaps not as radical as flashing a 'custom ROM' but is IMO less rewarding than the latter) and regular maintenance is telling. 1. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201559 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201559

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

It always baffled me how Apple is allowed to limit its users to only browsers based on its proprietary engine and nobody bats an eye but everyone throws a fit when Microsoft pushes Edge. Not trying to defend either, it's just the double standards feel puzzling to me.

akudha 5y ago
Apple removes headphone jack. Others follow suit, shamelessly, after mocking Apple. They make repairing their devices near impossible, others follow. And on and on.
aNoob7000 5y ago
I agree with you that Apple should be held to a different standard on their iPhone platform, but Microsoft Windows came up during a different era and is basically a monopoly on the desktop. Right now, Apple's smartphone market share in the USA is only 50%. Microsoft's Windows is probably at 80%+ of the desktop market.

pomian 5y ago

Can you no longer use Firefox under the new Mac OS? Or iOS? (I haven't had to troubleshoot anyone's new-er Mac for awhile. It used to be a staple energy drain on time resources, but everyone I'm exposed to, is trying not to upgrade.)

aNoob7000 5y ago
I'm running the latest version of Firefox on a Mac mini with M1 processor. They are talking about iOS.
javchz 5y ago
In iOS or ipadOS browsers like chrome or Firefox are just visual skins of safari. The TOS for devs, doesn't allow them to use their own engine, only a webview
- pomian 5y ago
  Thanks. What's the point of a Firefox skin? Except as a sign of political protest?? That closed iOS app world is becoming more frustrating. I assume it is not worth the effort for Firefox to build a new Apple approved app, because it may be pulled with any new Apple rule or policy, and Apple may not want Firefox period?
  - vurpo 5y ago
    For me, it's the ability to have Firefox Sync, Firefox's tracking blocker (although ad blocking isn't available unfortunately), and the familiar visual UI of Firefox. It's not literally a "skin", Firefox on iOS is actually a separate Apple-approved app. It's just that they're forced to embed the Safari engine rather than using Gecko for it.
touristtam 5y ago
Works fine on MacOS (BigSur) https://github.com/johnste/finicky https://github.com/johnste/finicky As for iOS: yes stuck with safari as default.
- ahtaarra 5y ago
  As a user concerned with the influence Google has over the web, forcing WebKit is something I can accept on iOS even though popular browsers on iOS, in my view, don't seem to be as feature-rich as their Android counterparts. A worse offence is having a platform so locked down that clearing opened apps from the recents menu has to be done one by one instead of having a simple single "clear all" solution the alternative to which is using a 'tweak' which would necessitate having a jailbroken phone which would, in turn, involve connecting the phone to a computer to get jailbroken on each restart or a more convoluted method. Another widely-known issue: when using apps with an alternative store like AltStore without jailbreak, you either need to connect to a Windows/MacOS or use some tweak to have on-device signing enabled within every seven days unless you have a Apple Developer subscription. Moreover, iOS has "slide to poweroff" but there is no convenient way to restart[1]: Xiaomi copied the UX and even made it better by needing less steps. Even simple changes requiring steps so radical (perhaps not as radical as flashing a 'custom ROM' but is IMO less rewarding than the latter) and regular maintenance is telling. 1. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201559 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201559