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Arrogant immigrants are arrogant, classic whataboutism as well. "Everything I have is built by slaves? Well everything you have is built by slaves too, slavery

Arrogant immigrants are arrogant, classic whataboutism as well. "Everything I have is built by slaves? Well everything you have is built by slaves too, slavery must not be a bad thing!"

bellyfullofbac 5y ago
Why isn't it a legitimate argument? It's true, isn't it? People like to accuse others of bad behavior because they think they're pious (speaking of "arrogant"...), but they themselves are ignorant of theirs. If the people complaining are ethical consumers, then...
- nix23 5y ago
  So you support having Slaves in your own country too? You cannot immediately force ANOTHER country to stop with that, but you can stop it in your own, that's the difference, and you should not support a country who openly use humans like that. But yes you have a point, for example the FIFA (HQ in Switzerland) knew how bad the working conditions for the WM in Qatar where and gave a shi* about it (~6500 death)
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    > you can stop it in your own The dude on reddit was a Westerner living in Dubai, if he had made noise about the slaves he would've been sent home. TBH I have Chinese-made electronics with conflict minerals and I don't pay attention where my clothes are made, I'm aware they're probably made by poorly paid labor ("slaves"), but ok if I read your comment right, it's fine if they live in foreign countries? So, how are your electronics and clothes?
    - nix23 5y ago
      >if he had made noise about the slaves he would've been sent home A world we want to live in right? At least he can safe taxes. >but ok if I read your comment right, it's fine if they live in foreign countries? Not you don't read it right...read again.
      - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
        Man, you are reddit-level obnoxious. Part of me wants you to explain it to me, but part of me thinks you're just an ass. Again, I ask you Mr. Righteous if your consumption is slave-free, or if you think that doesn't matter since there's a national border between you and the slaves.
        nix23 5y ago
        That's what i wrote: >>You cannot immediately force ANOTHER country to stop with that, but you can stop it in your own, that's the difference, and you should not support a country who openly use humans like that. How on earth do's that make you believe it's ok for me to have slave labor at all? And remember if you work in that Country you support that Country. >Again, I ask you Mr. Righteous if your consumption is slave-free No but i don't live i China, and tell everyone that Concentration Camps are ok, because Nord Korea have them too, and the West even profits from them (China), thats pure Whataboutism.
        bellyfullofbac 5y ago
        Ha, are you for real? "i[s] your consumption slave-free" "No, but...". So, just like me and the redditor in Dubai, you know this slavery is going on, but you're not that bothered with it. The excuse of "there's a border between the slave and me" is not valid. If you want to berate others for being shitty, you can't excuse your own behavior by making up your own rules like this border. I mentioned the redditor to make people reflect on their own abusive behavior towards other humans, IMO some people like to berate others to make themselves feel superior ("I don't do that evil stuff, so I'm a better person."), but hey, look in the mirror, maybe they should realize they're enjoying the fruits of slave labor as well, and they need to change themselves too.
        nix23 5y ago
        I don't work in/for a country where slave labor is accepted. Do you?
jeegsy 5y ago
Accusing someone of living in a slave state was never going to end well.

Arrogant immigrants are arrogant, classic whataboutism as well. "Everything I have is built by slaves? Well everything you have is built by slaves too, slavery must not be a bad thing!"

bellyfullofbac 5y ago

Why isn't it a legitimate argument? It's true, isn't it? People like to accuse others of bad behavior because they think they're pious (speaking of "arrogant"...), but they themselves are ignorant of theirs. If the people complaining are ethical consumers, then...

nix23 5y ago
So you support having Slaves in your own country too? You cannot immediately force ANOTHER country to stop with that, but you can stop it in your own, that's the difference, and you should not support a country who openly use humans like that. But yes you have a point, for example the FIFA (HQ in Switzerland) knew how bad the working conditions for the WM in Qatar where and gave a shi* about it (~6500 death)
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  > you can stop it in your own The dude on reddit was a Westerner living in Dubai, if he had made noise about the slaves he would've been sent home. TBH I have Chinese-made electronics with conflict minerals and I don't pay attention where my clothes are made, I'm aware they're probably made by poorly paid labor ("slaves"), but ok if I read your comment right, it's fine if they live in foreign countries? So, how are your electronics and clothes?
  - nix23 5y ago
    >if he had made noise about the slaves he would've been sent home A world we want to live in right? At least he can safe taxes. >but ok if I read your comment right, it's fine if they live in foreign countries? Not you don't read it right...read again.
    - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
      Man, you are reddit-level obnoxious. Part of me wants you to explain it to me, but part of me thinks you're just an ass. Again, I ask you Mr. Righteous if your consumption is slave-free, or if you think that doesn't matter since there's a national border between you and the slaves.
      - nix23 5y ago
        That's what i wrote: >>You cannot immediately force ANOTHER country to stop with that, but you can stop it in your own, that's the difference, and you should not support a country who openly use humans like that. How on earth do's that make you believe it's ok for me to have slave labor at all? And remember if you work in that Country you support that Country. >Again, I ask you Mr. Righteous if your consumption is slave-free No but i don't live i China, and tell everyone that Concentration Camps are ok, because Nord Korea have them too, and the West even profits from them (China), thats pure Whataboutism.
        bellyfullofbac 5y ago
        Ha, are you for real? "i[s] your consumption slave-free" "No, but...". So, just like me and the redditor in Dubai, you know this slavery is going on, but you're not that bothered with it. The excuse of "there's a border between the slave and me" is not valid. If you want to berate others for being shitty, you can't excuse your own behavior by making up your own rules like this border. I mentioned the redditor to make people reflect on their own abusive behavior towards other humans, IMO some people like to berate others to make themselves feel superior ("I don't do that evil stuff, so I'm a better person."), but hey, look in the mirror, maybe they should realize they're enjoying the fruits of slave labor as well, and they need to change themselves too.
        nix23 5y ago
        I don't work in/for a country where slave labor is accepted. Do you?

jeegsy 5y ago

Accusing someone of living in a slave state was never going to end well.