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I remember reading a reddit retort from an expat who lived in Dubai when someone asked him why he lived in a slave state; he said something along the lines of t

I remember reading a reddit retort from an expat who lived in Dubai when someone asked him why he lived in a slave state; he said something along the lines of the West also uses slave labor, who makes your electronics (or mines the minerals for them?), your clothes (probably poorly paid Bangladeshi). The difference is distance, in the Emirate countries the distance to the slave is a lot shorter...

nix23 5y ago
Having slaves IN your country IS something you can change, having slaves in other country's is not (or just very slow ATM). That expat has a disgusting mindset if you ask me. But having said that, Spain/Italy and the USA has their Modern-Slaves too, you don't have to go as far as bangladesh.
kamray23 5y ago
Arrogant immigrants are arrogant, classic whataboutism as well. "Everything I have is built by slaves? Well everything you have is built by slaves too, slavery must not be a bad thing!"
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  Why isn't it a legitimate argument? It's true, isn't it? People like to accuse others of bad behavior because they think they're pious (speaking of "arrogant"...), but they themselves are ignorant of theirs. If the people complaining are ethical consumers, then...
  - nix23 5y ago
    So you support having Slaves in your own country too? You cannot immediately force ANOTHER country to stop with that, but you can stop it in your own, that's the difference, and you should not support a country who openly use humans like that. But yes you have a point, for example the FIFA (HQ in Switzerland) knew how bad the working conditions for the WM in Qatar where and gave a shi* about it (~6500 death)
    - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
      > you can stop it in your own The dude on reddit was a Westerner living in Dubai, if he had made noise about the slaves he would've been sent home. TBH I have Chinese-made electronics with conflict minerals and I don't pay attention where my clothes are made, I'm aware they're probably made by poorly paid labor ("slaves"), but ok if I read your comment right, it's fine if they live in foreign countries? So, how are your electronics and clothes?
      - nix23 5y ago
        >if he had made noise about the slaves he would've been sent home A world we want to live in right? At least he can safe taxes. >but ok if I read your comment right, it's fine if they live in foreign countries? Not you don't read it right...read again.
        bellyfullofbac 5y ago
        Man, you are reddit-level obnoxious. Part of me wants you to explain it to me, but part of me thinks you're just an ass. Again, I ask you Mr. Righteous if your consumption is slave-free, or if you think that doesn't matter since there's a national border between you and the slaves.
        nix23 5y ago
        That's what i wrote: >>You cannot immediately force ANOTHER country to stop with that, but you can stop it in your own, that's the difference, and you should not support a country who openly use humans like that. How on earth do's that make you believe it's ok for me to have slave labor at all? And remember if you work in that Country you support that Country. >Again, I ask you Mr. Righteous if your consumption is slave-free No but i don't live i China, and tell everyone that Concentration Camps are ok, because Nord Korea have them too, and the West even profits from them (China), thats pure Whataboutism.
        bellyfullofbac 5y ago
- jeegsy 5y ago
  Accusing someone of living in a slave state was never going to end well.
ryanlol 5y ago
People who go on about slavery in Dubai are people who have never visited either Dubai nor the places where it’s labourers come from. Nobody is forced to go work in the UAE, UAE has very strict and well enforced labour rules. Everyone talks about UAE employers supposedly taking employees passports, but when I was applying for my visa I was told countless times to never give my passport to my employer and to call ministry of labour should they ask.

nix23 5y ago

Having slaves IN your country IS something you can change, having slaves in other country's is not (or just very slow ATM). That expat has a disgusting mindset if you ask me. But having said that, Spain/Italy and the USA has their Modern-Slaves too, you don't have to go as far as bangladesh.

kamray23 5y ago

Arrogant immigrants are arrogant, classic whataboutism as well. "Everything I have is built by slaves? Well everything you have is built by slaves too, slavery must not be a bad thing!"

bellyfullofbac 5y ago
Why isn't it a legitimate argument? It's true, isn't it? People like to accuse others of bad behavior because they think they're pious (speaking of "arrogant"...), but they themselves are ignorant of theirs. If the people complaining are ethical consumers, then...
- nix23 5y ago
  So you support having Slaves in your own country too? You cannot immediately force ANOTHER country to stop with that, but you can stop it in your own, that's the difference, and you should not support a country who openly use humans like that. But yes you have a point, for example the FIFA (HQ in Switzerland) knew how bad the working conditions for the WM in Qatar where and gave a shi* about it (~6500 death)
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    > you can stop it in your own The dude on reddit was a Westerner living in Dubai, if he had made noise about the slaves he would've been sent home. TBH I have Chinese-made electronics with conflict minerals and I don't pay attention where my clothes are made, I'm aware they're probably made by poorly paid labor ("slaves"), but ok if I read your comment right, it's fine if they live in foreign countries? So, how are your electronics and clothes?
    - nix23 5y ago
      >if he had made noise about the slaves he would've been sent home A world we want to live in right? At least he can safe taxes. >but ok if I read your comment right, it's fine if they live in foreign countries? Not you don't read it right...read again.
      - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
        Man, you are reddit-level obnoxious. Part of me wants you to explain it to me, but part of me thinks you're just an ass. Again, I ask you Mr. Righteous if your consumption is slave-free, or if you think that doesn't matter since there's a national border between you and the slaves.
        nix23 5y ago
        That's what i wrote: >>You cannot immediately force ANOTHER country to stop with that, but you can stop it in your own, that's the difference, and you should not support a country who openly use humans like that. How on earth do's that make you believe it's ok for me to have slave labor at all? And remember if you work in that Country you support that Country. >Again, I ask you Mr. Righteous if your consumption is slave-free No but i don't live i China, and tell everyone that Concentration Camps are ok, because Nord Korea have them too, and the West even profits from them (China), thats pure Whataboutism.
        bellyfullofbac 5y ago
jeegsy 5y ago
Accusing someone of living in a slave state was never going to end well.

ryanlol 5y ago

People who go on about slavery in Dubai are people who have never visited either Dubai nor the places where it’s labourers come from. Nobody is forced to go work in the UAE, UAE has very strict and well enforced labour rules. Everyone talks about UAE employers supposedly taking employees passports, but when I was applying for my visa I was told countless times to never give my passport to my employer and to call ministry of labour should they ask.