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The first comment algorithm choses to show me contains substring "and this system is transparently broken". Isn't that a remark on the effectiveness of the idea

The first comment algorithm choses to show me contains substring "and this system is transparently broken". Isn't that a remark on the effectiveness of the idea or I misread? (In case you have problem with me saying "so many", that I can fix.)

sennight 5y ago
> I don't get why 𝚜̶𝚘̶ ̶𝚖̶𝚊̶𝚗̶𝚢̶ some people think this is an ineffective idea. Because such architectural flaws become absolute train wrecks when scaled. Remember the Clipper Chip? This is like that: cryptographers pointing out fundamental flaws that may seem like minor issues to most of the users who were going to be compelled to use it - but at scale those flaws result in the direct opposite of the stated objectives. It feels weird having to explain scalability on HN... everyone here should know that if your little scheme is struggling pre-rollout then trying to power through will only magnify your troubles. So it is hard to account for that blind spot that defenders of this thing seem to have.
- ThinBold 5y ago
  Unless Apple implements this with a backdoor on iCloud, the worst case scenario here is that they receive millions of false positives per day and terminate the program after two weeks. The scalability issue seems to work in our favor because, perhaps, the normal usage will overwhelm the human reviewers Apple prepared and we don't even need to send troll images. And for the entire time, our data remains untouched.
  - sennight 5y ago
    So Apple customers go from paying for a status symbol luxury item to paying for the privilege of participating in this, at best, pointless exercise wherein they rely upon the goodwill and competence of Apple's employees to not get them swatted. The mental gymnastics needed in order to guard one's ego on this issue can't be healthy either.
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The first comment algorithm choses to show me contains substring "and this system is transparently broken". Isn't that a remark on the effectiveness of the idea

by ThinBold 5y ago

sennight 5y ago
> I don't get why 𝚜̶𝚘̶ ̶𝚖̶𝚊̶𝚗̶𝚢̶ some people think this is an ineffective idea. Because such architectural flaws become absolute train wrecks when scaled. Remember the Clipper Chip? This is like that: cryptographers pointing out fundamental flaws that may seem like minor issues to most of the users who were going to be compelled to use it - but at scale those flaws result in the direct opposite of the stated objectives. It feels weird having to explain scalability on HN... everyone here should know that if your little scheme is struggling pre-rollout then trying to power through will only magnify your troubles. So it is hard to account for that blind spot that defenders of this thing seem to have.
- ThinBold 5y ago
  Unless Apple implements this with a backdoor on iCloud, the worst case scenario here is that they receive millions of false positives per day and terminate the program after two weeks. The scalability issue seems to work in our favor because, perhaps, the normal usage will overwhelm the human reviewers Apple prepared and we don't even need to send troll images. And for the entire time, our data remains untouched.
  - sennight 5y ago
    So Apple customers go from paying for a status symbol luxury item to paying for the privilege of participating in this, at best, pointless exercise wherein they rely upon the goodwill and competence of Apple's employees to not get them swatted. The mental gymnastics needed in order to guard one's ego on this issue can't be healthy either.
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