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> If you're concerned about other forms of scanning, you didn't consent—so even if Apple complied, the search is invalid and cannot be used to prosecute you. T

> If you're concerned about other forms of scanning, you didn't consent—so even if Apple complied, the search is invalid and cannot be used to prosecute you. This is a dangerously false understanding of the law. Stop giving legal advice. You are not a lawyer.

simondotau 5y ago
Are you saying that if the US Government compelled Apple to scans millions of citizen's private property for non-CSAM images, this would not be a clear-cut violation of the Fourth Amendment? I'm curious, do you think that the Third Party Doctrine applies here?
- Alupis 5y ago
  I think the realistic danger here is the US Government no longer needs to compel this type of activity. Reference Twitter and Facebook/Instagram voluntarily censorship per mere suggestion of the current administration/power party.
  - simondotau 5y ago
    Let's be practical for a minute. What specific image would Apple voluntarily search for on behalf of the US Government? I sincerely can't think of anything.
    - Alupis 5y ago
      Images, leaked government files, anti-administration phrases, unflattering memes of the president, statements that contradict the government's current stance, etc. All things current at social media companies seem willing to censor after suggestion of the administration.
      - simondotau 5y ago
        You seriously think Apple would voluntarily search private devices for images which aren't illegal and don't even hint at any action which is illegal? I don't think you're being serious.
        Alupis 5y ago
        Why not? Facebook and Twitter have done exactly that in the past year. Why is it far fetched for Apple suddenly, given this amazing reverse-course on branding? The only realistic alternative to Apple is Android... And Google is pretty darn transparent in their spying on users. Apple just did a 180 degree about-face on all the branding they've built over the last decade. Why should anyone trust Apple again? Look, this whole neural-hash thing took what, 2 weeks for people to fabricate collisions? This just illustrated how poorly conceived and ill-thought the entire plan was from Apple. It's not beyond reason to assume any of these things given the evidence we currently have.
        simondotau 5y ago
        > Facebook and Twitter have done exactly that in the past year. You think Facebook and Twitter have dobbed users into the US Government for spreading unflattering memes? You are delusional, or more likely, not being serious. This is the last reply you'll be seeing from me. I'm collapsing this thread and won't be replying any more.

simondotau 5y ago

Are you saying that if the US Government compelled Apple to scans millions of citizen's private property for non-CSAM images, this would not be a clear-cut violation of the Fourth Amendment? I'm curious, do you think that the Third Party Doctrine applies here?

Alupis 5y ago
I think the realistic danger here is the US Government no longer needs to compel this type of activity. Reference Twitter and Facebook/Instagram voluntarily censorship per mere suggestion of the current administration/power party.
- simondotau 5y ago
  Let's be practical for a minute. What specific image would Apple voluntarily search for on behalf of the US Government? I sincerely can't think of anything.
  - Alupis 5y ago
    Images, leaked government files, anti-administration phrases, unflattering memes of the president, statements that contradict the government's current stance, etc. All things current at social media companies seem willing to censor after suggestion of the administration.
    - simondotau 5y ago
      You seriously think Apple would voluntarily search private devices for images which aren't illegal and don't even hint at any action which is illegal? I don't think you're being serious.
      - Alupis 5y ago
        Why not? Facebook and Twitter have done exactly that in the past year. Why is it far fetched for Apple suddenly, given this amazing reverse-course on branding? The only realistic alternative to Apple is Android... And Google is pretty darn transparent in their spying on users. Apple just did a 180 degree about-face on all the branding they've built over the last decade. Why should anyone trust Apple again? Look, this whole neural-hash thing took what, 2 weeks for people to fabricate collisions? This just illustrated how poorly conceived and ill-thought the entire plan was from Apple. It's not beyond reason to assume any of these things given the evidence we currently have.
        simondotau 5y ago
        > Facebook and Twitter have done exactly that in the past year. You think Facebook and Twitter have dobbed users into the US Government for spreading unflattering memes? You are delusional, or more likely, not being serious. This is the last reply you'll be seeing from me. I'm collapsing this thread and won't be replying any more.