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The real question is: how can they make sure people are not committing other crimes? They better scan all messages at all times. Are they meeting more people fa

The real question is: how can they make sure people are not committing other crimes? They better scan all messages at all times. Are they meeting more people face to face than the government permits? The only way to be sure is to log all gps data and compare. They better monitor every aspect of their customers lives to protect the children. Think of the children

abraae 5y ago
According to that line of thought, we wouldn't have speed cameras because they can't be used to detect e.g. drunk driving. It's fair IMO to use fit for purpose technology to target specific crimes. Though I agree this is bad technology, not fit for purpose, and they should yank it.
- alfiedotwtf 5y ago
  No. This is more like Apple enabling telemetry on your iPhone, and if it looks like you're traveling on a road higher than its designated speed, you'll be auto-fined.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  When in UK I always feel being watched thanks to CCTV warnings everywhere. It is also the only country from all of those I have been in almost 50 years, where great care is taken to never park in an illegal way. Sure you will see it, away from city centers where no cameras are around.
  - short_sells_poo 5y ago
    > It is also the only country from all of those I have been in almost 50 years, where great care is taken to never park in an illegal way. This is only true for the masses. Rich people just leave their cars parked anywhere they want in Mayfair in London because they don't care about a 50 quid fine.
    - zimpenfish 5y ago
      Famously, the US embassy owes about $13M in congestion charges (as of 2017!) they just don't bother to pay. Although, to their credit, apparently[1] they do pay their parking fines. [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/us-diplomats-london-congestion-charge-penalties-american-embassy-year-tfl-transport-london-a8118821.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/us-diplomats...
  - intricatedetail 5y ago
    Funny that, when something happens to you and you request footage the usual answer is that camera was broken or it wasn't recording.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      A friend of mine had the footage of her motorbike being stolen, didn't help much, she never managed to get it back.
EGreg 5y ago
Well, actuuuuaaallly… Everything you said is already being collected about you. Cellphone towers can log where you are. Cameras around your city can recognize you. All they have to do is link all the feeds into one database that can be searched. The only place you can escape the watchful eye is your end to end encrypted stuff… which ain’t your SMS. And even there, you are just taking their word for it since it’s a closed source product.
RpFLCL 5y ago
In fact, couldn't we go even further, taking inspiration from Apple? Plumbing installed in people's homes should scan for illegally consumed narcotics or prescription medications and check them against pharmacy records. Your home's electrical wiring should make sure it's not being used to illegally grow drugs. Cellphone cameras should make sure they never record a naked body without a signed consent waiver. Guitar amplifiers should verify that you're not playing an owned piece of music without a license. How could we ever survive in a world where we relied upon targeted investigations and probable cause? How could we ever live in a world where pipes just moved things from A to B without inspecting them. /s
- maze-le 5y ago
  Don't give them any ideas, it's dystopian enough already...

abraae 5y ago

According to that line of thought, we wouldn't have speed cameras because they can't be used to detect e.g. drunk driving. It's fair IMO to use fit for purpose technology to target specific crimes. Though I agree this is bad technology, not fit for purpose, and they should yank it.

alfiedotwtf 5y ago
No. This is more like Apple enabling telemetry on your iPhone, and if it looks like you're traveling on a road higher than its designated speed, you'll be auto-fined.
pjmlp 5y ago
When in UK I always feel being watched thanks to CCTV warnings everywhere. It is also the only country from all of those I have been in almost 50 years, where great care is taken to never park in an illegal way. Sure you will see it, away from city centers where no cameras are around.
- short_sells_poo 5y ago
  > It is also the only country from all of those I have been in almost 50 years, where great care is taken to never park in an illegal way. This is only true for the masses. Rich people just leave their cars parked anywhere they want in Mayfair in London because they don't care about a 50 quid fine.
  - zimpenfish 5y ago
    Famously, the US embassy owes about $13M in congestion charges (as of 2017!) they just don't bother to pay. Although, to their credit, apparently[1] they do pay their parking fines. [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/us-diplomats-london-congestion-charge-penalties-american-embassy-year-tfl-transport-london-a8118821.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/us-diplomats...
- intricatedetail 5y ago
  Funny that, when something happens to you and you request footage the usual answer is that camera was broken or it wasn't recording.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    A friend of mine had the footage of her motorbike being stolen, didn't help much, she never managed to get it back.

EGreg 5y ago

Well, actuuuuaaallly… Everything you said is already being collected about you. Cellphone towers can log where you are. Cameras around your city can recognize you. All they have to do is link all the feeds into one database that can be searched. The only place you can escape the watchful eye is your end to end encrypted stuff… which ain’t your SMS. And even there, you are just taking their word for it since it’s a closed source product.

RpFLCL 5y ago

In fact, couldn't we go even further, taking inspiration from Apple? Plumbing installed in people's homes should scan for illegally consumed narcotics or prescription medications and check them against pharmacy records. Your home's electrical wiring should make sure it's not being used to illegally grow drugs. Cellphone cameras should make sure they never record a naked body without a signed consent waiver. Guitar amplifiers should verify that you're not playing an owned piece of music without a license. How could we ever survive in a world where we relied upon targeted investigations and probable cause? How could we ever live in a world where pipes just moved things from A to B without inspecting them. /s

maze-le 5y ago
Don't give them any ideas, it's dystopian enough already...