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Apple will not drop their plans. Google and Facebook are already doing this. Be happy at least Apple’s implementation happens client side and therefore can pres

Apple will not drop their plans. Google and Facebook are already doing this. Be happy at least Apple’s implementation happens client side and therefore can preserve end to end encryption. https://transparencyreport.google.com/child-sexual-abuse-material/reporting?hl=en https://transparencyreport.google.com/child-sexual-abuse-mat... https://www.facebook.com/safety/onlinechildprotection https://www.facebook.com/safety/onlinechildprotection https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna https://blog.flickr.net/en/2021/04/16/keeping-flickr-and-children-safe/ https://blog.flickr.net/en/2021/04/16/keeping-flickr-and-chi... Most companies dealing with photos have had this in place for almost a decade now. The FUD and slippery slope arguments are getting old.

Bilal_io 5y ago
> Be happy Just because the bar is so low does not mean we have to accept privacy abuse.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  You don’t have to accept it. Don’t use iCloud, no problem.
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brendoelfrendo 5y ago
> Be happy at least Apple’s implementation happens client side and therefore can preserve end to end encryption potentially. No, why would I be happy with this? I actually prefer the alternative: scan photos server side, fine. That's Apple's computer and if I send my photos there, then I can't justifiably argue against that. But my device shouldn't be part of their attempt to appease law enforcement by turning the world into a dragnet.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  If you don’t send your photos this doesn’t affect you in any way.
  - brendoelfrendo 5y ago
    That's how it's supposed to work, but frankly, once the capability exists client-side, I don't trust that it will continue to work that way.
    - EricE 5y ago
      Not sure why you are getting voted down - you are 100% correct. Especially in this post 9/11 world - look at what was supposed to be "temporary" to deal with the "terrorists". Ha! You have to be an utter simpleton if you don't think use of this mechanism will expand. It's not even a leap of logic - it's been going on for 20 years all around us!
      - brandon272 5y ago
        For some reason with every new privacy infringement people seem to want to believe that "this will be the last one". I'm sure 3 weeks ago no one could have fathomed that Apple would make an announcement like this, yet here we are.
  - crooked-v 5y ago
    ...for now.
  - torstenvl 5y ago
    Sure. And the police only have your house under constant surveillance in case you sell heroin out of the garage. Don't worry, comrade, there is no reason to worry if you have nothing to hide.
  - tyingq 5y ago
    iPhone defaults and settings have a strong history of resetting themselves to values you didn't pick.
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ralph84 5y ago
Nobody expects Google and Facebook to care about privacy. Apple was the one running TV ads about how they were the privacy company. If Apple was really planning E2EE they would have announced it at the same time, because it would have been the perfect time to do it. Disarm the critics of E2EE with CP scanning and disarm the critics of CP scanning with E2EE.
- brendoelfrendo 5y ago
  I agree. The claims that E2EE are right around the corner are getting really tiring. If it was coming, Apple should have announced it alongside this "feature" and not expected everyone to trust them.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  iCloud photos already has E2EE.
  - commoner 5y ago
    No, iCloud Photos are not currently end-to-end encrypted. Apple lists all of the items in iCloud that are covered by E2EE in the "End-to-end encrypted data" section after the table, and photos aren't on the list: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
- EGreg 5y ago
  Apple also ran ads about this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af0gtsjfy7E https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af0gtsjfy7E What’s your point? Apple said RISC was better and faster than Intel, until the day they adopted Intel, and then they said the complete opposite. They acted like they invented the Omnibox for Safari and so forth. It’s for marketing.
  - bostik 5y ago
    Propaganda 101: we have always been at war with Oceania.

Bilal_io 5y ago

> Be happy Just because the bar is so low does not mean we have to accept privacy abuse.

endisneigh 5y ago
You don’t have to accept it. Don’t use iCloud, no problem.
- deleted 5y ago
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brendoelfrendo 5y ago

> Be happy at least Apple’s implementation happens client side and therefore can preserve end to end encryption potentially. No, why would I be happy with this? I actually prefer the alternative: scan photos server side, fine. That's Apple's computer and if I send my photos there, then I can't justifiably argue against that. But my device shouldn't be part of their attempt to appease law enforcement by turning the world into a dragnet.

endisneigh 5y ago
If you don’t send your photos this doesn’t affect you in any way.
- brendoelfrendo 5y ago
  That's how it's supposed to work, but frankly, once the capability exists client-side, I don't trust that it will continue to work that way.
  - EricE 5y ago
    Not sure why you are getting voted down - you are 100% correct. Especially in this post 9/11 world - look at what was supposed to be "temporary" to deal with the "terrorists". Ha! You have to be an utter simpleton if you don't think use of this mechanism will expand. It's not even a leap of logic - it's been going on for 20 years all around us!
    - brandon272 5y ago
      For some reason with every new privacy infringement people seem to want to believe that "this will be the last one". I'm sure 3 weeks ago no one could have fathomed that Apple would make an announcement like this, yet here we are.
- crooked-v 5y ago
  ...for now.
- torstenvl 5y ago
  Sure. And the police only have your house under constant surveillance in case you sell heroin out of the garage. Don't worry, comrade, there is no reason to worry if you have nothing to hide.
- tyingq 5y ago
  iPhone defaults and settings have a strong history of resetting themselves to values you didn't pick.

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ralph84 5y ago

Nobody expects Google and Facebook to care about privacy. Apple was the one running TV ads about how they were the privacy company. If Apple was really planning E2EE they would have announced it at the same time, because it would have been the perfect time to do it. Disarm the critics of E2EE with CP scanning and disarm the critics of CP scanning with E2EE.

brendoelfrendo 5y ago
I agree. The claims that E2EE are right around the corner are getting really tiring. If it was coming, Apple should have announced it alongside this "feature" and not expected everyone to trust them.
endisneigh 5y ago
iCloud photos already has E2EE.
- commoner 5y ago
  No, iCloud Photos are not currently end-to-end encrypted. Apple lists all of the items in iCloud that are covered by E2EE in the "End-to-end encrypted data" section after the table, and photos aren't on the list: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303
EGreg 5y ago
Apple also ran ads about this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af0gtsjfy7E https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af0gtsjfy7E What’s your point? Apple said RISC was better and faster than Intel, until the day they adopted Intel, and then they said the complete opposite. They acted like they invented the Omnibox for Safari and so forth. It’s for marketing.
- bostik 5y ago
  Propaganda 101: we have always been at war with Oceania.