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Why wait? Just send them the pictures on Facebook Messenger or Gmail or Dropbox today.

onepunchedman 5y ago
Nah that's so 2020, 2021 is all about low resolution legitimate porn being transformed to match CSAM. Get with the times!
- shuckles 5y ago
  Those will trip up 2020’s systems as well!
- norov 5y ago
  But why low resolution porn?
  - onepunchedman 5y ago
    So that you are able to bypass the manual reviews. It still looks like CSAM, but it isn't.
    - deleted 5y ago
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SCLeo 5y ago
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. In case you are not, isn't the act of sending those pictures completely illegal?
- shuckles 5y ago
  People here are proposing intentionally creating image assets which collide with perceptual hashes of known CSAM (ignoring whether that is legal or ethical) and sharing those assets to effectively SWAT unaware targets.
  - SCLeo 5y ago
    Oh, I think I misunderstood you. I thought you meant instead of "sending images that collides with perceptual hashes of known CASM", why not "send actual CSAM in 'Facebook Messenger or Gmail or Dropbox', and since those services also use some other detection algorithm, it will also incriminate the receiver."
    - shuckles 5y ago
      Those services will take your account through the same, if not more invasive, process if you are found with a hash match like the ones being proposed in these comments. Unlike Apple, they’ve built interfaces that surface all your account activity to reviewers.
      - heavyset_go 5y ago
        > Unlike Apple, they’ve built interfaces that surface all your account activity to reviewers. You can't know this without independent audits.
        shuckles 5y ago
        In some ways, you can start to see the value in Apple’s system which lets the device user inspect what is stored in the associated data for later review.
  - zepto 5y ago
    They still seem to be under the impression that a neuralhash collision would be enough to do this, which it isn’t.
  - noduerme 5y ago
    I haven't seen anyone proposing actually doing it, but I think a lot of people are rightly pointing out that bad actors, black hats and the Russian mob are going to have a field day with their ability to do so.

Nah that's so 2020, 2021 is all about low resolution legitimate porn being transformed to match CSAM. Get with the times!

shuckles 5y ago
Those will trip up 2020’s systems as well!
norov 5y ago
But why low resolution porn?
- onepunchedman 5y ago
  So that you are able to bypass the manual reviews. It still looks like CSAM, but it isn't.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]

SCLeo 5y ago

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic. In case you are not, isn't the act of sending those pictures completely illegal?

shuckles 5y ago
People here are proposing intentionally creating image assets which collide with perceptual hashes of known CSAM (ignoring whether that is legal or ethical) and sharing those assets to effectively SWAT unaware targets.
- SCLeo 5y ago
  Oh, I think I misunderstood you. I thought you meant instead of "sending images that collides with perceptual hashes of known CASM", why not "send actual CSAM in 'Facebook Messenger or Gmail or Dropbox', and since those services also use some other detection algorithm, it will also incriminate the receiver."
  - shuckles 5y ago
    Those services will take your account through the same, if not more invasive, process if you are found with a hash match like the ones being proposed in these comments. Unlike Apple, they’ve built interfaces that surface all your account activity to reviewers.
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      > Unlike Apple, they’ve built interfaces that surface all your account activity to reviewers. You can't know this without independent audits.
      - shuckles 5y ago
        In some ways, you can start to see the value in Apple’s system which lets the device user inspect what is stored in the associated data for later review.
- zepto 5y ago
  They still seem to be under the impression that a neuralhash collision would be enough to do this, which it isn’t.
- noduerme 5y ago
  I haven't seen anyone proposing actually doing it, but I think a lot of people are rightly pointing out that bad actors, black hats and the Russian mob are going to have a field day with their ability to do so.