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It's strange to me that the very same people who are absolutely adamant that the government be kept out of the exam room for some things are now codifying total

It's strange to me that the very same people who are absolutely adamant that the government be kept out of the exam room for some things are now codifying totalitarian requirements for other medical procedures.

gunfighthacksaw 5y ago
Compare it to the hot takes on the voter ID issue. Never mind that PoC vaccination stats are dwarfed by white people (with good historical reasons) thus de facto segregating them from everyday life. I’m against both as a concept BTW but my opinion is moot as a non-American.
munk-a 5y ago
I feel like this comes back to whether something is a societal issue or not. I'm not totally certain what other exam room procedure you're talking about since you left it quite vague but I assume you're talking about proposed abortion access or gender reassignment limitations - if I've guessed wrong please feel free to correct me and clarify your statement. Both of those procedures are exceedingly personal medical decisions the ramifications of which will never spread beyond yourself or, at most, your immediate family. The question of vaccination isn't an individual decision - it's a societal decision. We all (or most, technically) get vaccinated so that we can curtail an ongoing pandemic, it isn't effective if done to only a small segment of the population and the US is currently sitting just short of 60% vaccinated with at least one dose. The big difference is between it validly being a personal choice or being something necessary for society to function.
- hamburgerwah 5y ago
  I understand that your opinion is that vaccines are different from other medical procedures because you are using an ends justify the means argument that you think is valid there. I disagree fundamentally and I do not believe that the government has any right to coerce people into medical procedures under our constitution. To be clear I am vaccinated and I believe the current covid vaccines benefits outweigh its risks relative to the risks of covid. There is no evidence that these types of coercion tactics actually increase vaccinations. It's an emerging field of study but there is a growing body of evidence that they actually decrease vaccination acceptance. 2-3% of people are medically contraindicated from getting some or even all vaccines because the risks of the vaccine due to their age, existing illness, genetics and medications are higher than the risk of the diseases prevented. I think it makes more sense to keep the government out of the exam room in all cases.

gunfighthacksaw 5y ago

Compare it to the hot takes on the voter ID issue. Never mind that PoC vaccination stats are dwarfed by white people (with good historical reasons) thus de facto segregating them from everyday life. I’m against both as a concept BTW but my opinion is moot as a non-American.

munk-a 5y ago

I feel like this comes back to whether something is a societal issue or not. I'm not totally certain what other exam room procedure you're talking about since you left it quite vague but I assume you're talking about proposed abortion access or gender reassignment limitations - if I've guessed wrong please feel free to correct me and clarify your statement. Both of those procedures are exceedingly personal medical decisions the ramifications of which will never spread beyond yourself or, at most, your immediate family. The question of vaccination isn't an individual decision - it's a societal decision. We all (or most, technically) get vaccinated so that we can curtail an ongoing pandemic, it isn't effective if done to only a small segment of the population and the US is currently sitting just short of 60% vaccinated with at least one dose. The big difference is between it validly being a personal choice or being something necessary for society to function.

hamburgerwah 5y ago
I understand that your opinion is that vaccines are different from other medical procedures because you are using an ends justify the means argument that you think is valid there. I disagree fundamentally and I do not believe that the government has any right to coerce people into medical procedures under our constitution. To be clear I am vaccinated and I believe the current covid vaccines benefits outweigh its risks relative to the risks of covid. There is no evidence that these types of coercion tactics actually increase vaccinations. It's an emerging field of study but there is a growing body of evidence that they actually decrease vaccination acceptance. 2-3% of people are medically contraindicated from getting some or even all vaccines because the risks of the vaccine due to their age, existing illness, genetics and medications are higher than the risk of the diseases prevented. I think it makes more sense to keep the government out of the exam room in all cases.