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I don't like AMP. However, if I wouldn't use a mobile browser which didn't basically do the same (MITM websites), my DATA plan would be over by the fourth day o

I don't like AMP. However, if I wouldn't use a mobile browser which didn't basically do the same (MITM websites), my DATA plan would be over by the fourth day of the month. The mobile web, after all these years, is still so heavy. No, devs don't need all images to be for retina display, they don't need to bundle 50 MB of JS on ever pages, they don't need to load custom fonts for text, auto start videos, ... then why are webpages still so big on mobile? What happened to mobile first? Seems to me like it's just native app first on mobile then some amount of responsiveness for desktop websites... what happened? I'm not willing to visit or spend money on a website that drains all my data plan while I'm browsing for products... For all the SEO tricks websites use to drive traffic, it doesn't seem like mobile page speed is relevant in anyway when it comes to SEO or we would have a very different web...

ohazi 5y ago
Firefox mobile allows you to use uBlock origin, which improves things tremendously. Every time I accidentally end up in mobile Chrome, it's like being transported back in time 15 years with popups and overlays and modals that are deliberately designed to lag just enough for you to accidentally click on the ad rather than the tiny X button. What happened? Google happened. The mobile web is essentially the desktop web before ad blockers, and Google won't allow mobile Chrome to support extensions because "oh no, extensions are hard" -- they're lying. They know that a mobile ad blocker is the easiest and fastest way for us to hide their toxic cesspool of mobile ads.
albertgoeswoof 5y ago
That’s only a problem in countries with poor network infrastructure, most developed countries have unlimited data plans at reasonable costs
- forcemajeure 5y ago
  Not true in Australia
  - 8ytecoder 5y ago
    Again as the OP said, “ That’s only a problem in countries with poor network infrastructure”. Australia is a victim of its geography. (Plus last I heard the National fiber backbone didn’t go as planned either). I’m would expect a high bandwidth wired backbone is required to support scaling up mobile data throughput.
    - throw_m239339 5y ago
      Still not true and I live in Western Europe. Data cap is 50GB for a 30€ plan. This is farcry from "unlimited data plan".
    - shakna 5y ago
      Whilst Australia's NBN rollout was plagued with problems, in the end I would say it did go as planned - the design, as implemented, was intended to be crap. It was outdated when it was conceived, and could not possibly serve the country for the next thirty years as it claimed.
- throw_m239339 5y ago
  > That’s only a problem in countries with poor network infrastructure, most developed countries have unlimited data plans at reasonable costs This is false, I live in Western Europe. Data cap is 50GB for a 30€ plan. This is farcry from "unlimited data plan" and there is 4G everywhere.
  - chrischen 5y ago
    I'm a pretty heavy mobile user and my Safari is reporting 1.9gb used last month (a travel month where I was on 5G most of the time). The biggest user wasn't web content, but apps like Spotify that used 5.5gb in the month. Even if web/Safari uses a lot of data, at the end of the day if you stream rich content like videos or audio, that will always outpace web content. So if a mobile plan with a data cap can't support web content then there's no hope of streaming Netflix...
  - frosted-flakes 5y ago
    50 GB is effectively unlimited though, and for incredibly cheap. I would have to really try to use that much data on my phone. I have a 20 GB plan in Canada for much more than that, and have never exceeded 10 GB of usage. Up until about 3 years ago, I had a 500 MB plan for the same price, and still got on fine.
  - tasogare 5y ago
    I'm living fine with a 3GB data plan (yes 3, not 30). It's only problematic if using tethering otherwise I have hard time understanding how people can consume more data just by browsing the web. Too much adult movies maybe?
    - kazinator 5y ago
      1.5Gb here. I can self-adjust that month by month. I had more but I down-regulated it since I wasn't using it. It was a waste of money. Sitting there streaming video content is a nonstarter just from a battery life point of view alone; I wouldn't do it even on Wi-Fi. Speaking of which, 1.5Gb is enough that I don't bother looking for Wi-Fi hotspots. The mobile plan is such that if it goes over the cap, it will just stop, rather than incurring extra charges. So until it stops, why would you mess with Wi-Fi.
- j-bos 5y ago
  Or for poor residents of developed countries.
dreamcompiler 5y ago
Has anybody done an objective comparison between AMP vs a good adblocker (e.g. PiHole) w.r.t. how much bandwidth they save? I'd expect adblockers are as effective if not more.
donohoe 5y ago
To be clear, AMP pages are often the same size as regular webpages. Often they can be much much heavier.

ohazi 5y ago

Firefox mobile allows you to use uBlock origin, which improves things tremendously. Every time I accidentally end up in mobile Chrome, it's like being transported back in time 15 years with popups and overlays and modals that are deliberately designed to lag just enough for you to accidentally click on the ad rather than the tiny X button. What happened? Google happened. The mobile web is essentially the desktop web before ad blockers, and Google won't allow mobile Chrome to support extensions because "oh no, extensions are hard" -- they're lying. They know that a mobile ad blocker is the easiest and fastest way for us to hide their toxic cesspool of mobile ads.

albertgoeswoof 5y ago

That’s only a problem in countries with poor network infrastructure, most developed countries have unlimited data plans at reasonable costs

forcemajeure 5y ago
Not true in Australia
- 8ytecoder 5y ago
  Again as the OP said, “ That’s only a problem in countries with poor network infrastructure”. Australia is a victim of its geography. (Plus last I heard the National fiber backbone didn’t go as planned either). I’m would expect a high bandwidth wired backbone is required to support scaling up mobile data throughput.
  - throw_m239339 5y ago
    Still not true and I live in Western Europe. Data cap is 50GB for a 30€ plan. This is farcry from "unlimited data plan".
  - shakna 5y ago
    Whilst Australia's NBN rollout was plagued with problems, in the end I would say it did go as planned - the design, as implemented, was intended to be crap. It was outdated when it was conceived, and could not possibly serve the country for the next thirty years as it claimed.
throw_m239339 5y ago
> That’s only a problem in countries with poor network infrastructure, most developed countries have unlimited data plans at reasonable costs This is false, I live in Western Europe. Data cap is 50GB for a 30€ plan. This is farcry from "unlimited data plan" and there is 4G everywhere.
- chrischen 5y ago
  I'm a pretty heavy mobile user and my Safari is reporting 1.9gb used last month (a travel month where I was on 5G most of the time). The biggest user wasn't web content, but apps like Spotify that used 5.5gb in the month. Even if web/Safari uses a lot of data, at the end of the day if you stream rich content like videos or audio, that will always outpace web content. So if a mobile plan with a data cap can't support web content then there's no hope of streaming Netflix...
- frosted-flakes 5y ago
  50 GB is effectively unlimited though, and for incredibly cheap. I would have to really try to use that much data on my phone. I have a 20 GB plan in Canada for much more than that, and have never exceeded 10 GB of usage. Up until about 3 years ago, I had a 500 MB plan for the same price, and still got on fine.
- tasogare 5y ago
  I'm living fine with a 3GB data plan (yes 3, not 30). It's only problematic if using tethering otherwise I have hard time understanding how people can consume more data just by browsing the web. Too much adult movies maybe?
  - kazinator 5y ago
    1.5Gb here. I can self-adjust that month by month. I had more but I down-regulated it since I wasn't using it. It was a waste of money. Sitting there streaming video content is a nonstarter just from a battery life point of view alone; I wouldn't do it even on Wi-Fi. Speaking of which, 1.5Gb is enough that I don't bother looking for Wi-Fi hotspots. The mobile plan is such that if it goes over the cap, it will just stop, rather than incurring extra charges. So until it stops, why would you mess with Wi-Fi.
j-bos 5y ago
Or for poor residents of developed countries.

dreamcompiler 5y ago

Has anybody done an objective comparison between AMP vs a good adblocker (e.g. PiHole) w.r.t. how much bandwidth they save? I'd expect adblockers are as effective if not more.

donohoe 5y ago

To be clear, AMP pages are often the same size as regular webpages. Often they can be much much heavier.