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I think this is where a disconnect is occurring. In this specific case yes. That is what is supposed to happen. But Apple also sets the standard that this is

I think this is where a disconnect is occurring. In this specific case yes. That is what is supposed to happen. But Apple also sets the standard that this is just the beginning, not the end. They say as much on page 3 in bold, differentiated color ink https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/Expanded_Protections_for_Children_Technology_Summary.pdf https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/Expanded_Protections_... And there’s nothing to stop them from scanning all images on a device. Or scanning all content for keywords or whatever. iCloud being used as a qualifier is a red herring to what this change is capable of. Maybe someone shooting guns is now unacceptable, kids have been kicked from schools for posting them on Facebook or having them in their rooms on zoom. What if it’s kids shooting guns? There are so many possibilities of how this could be misused, abused or even just an oopsie, sorry I upended your life to solve a problem that is so very rare. Add to that their messaging has been muddy at best. And it incited a flame war. A big part of that is iCloud is not a single thing. It’s a service, it can sync snd hold iMessages, it can sync backups, or in my case We have shared iCloud albums that we use to share images with family. Others are free to upload and share. In fact that’s our only use of iCloud other than find my. They say iCloud photos as if that’s just a single thing but it’s easy to extrapolate that to images in iMessages, backups etc. And the non profit that hosts this database is not publicly accountable. They have public employees on their payroll but really they can put whatever they want in that database. They have no accountability or public disclosure requirements. So even I, when their main page was like 3 articles was a bit perturbed and put off. I’m not going to ditch my iPhone, mainly because it’s work assigned but I have been keeping a keen eye on what’s happening, how it’s happening and will keep an eye out for their chnages they are promising. I’m also going to guess they won’t nearly be as high profile in the future.

ribosometronome 5y ago
>And there’s nothing to stop them from scanning all images on a device. All images on your device have been scanned for years by ML models to detect things all sorts of things and make your photo library searchable regardless of whether you use an Android or Apple device. That's how you can go and search "dog", "revolver", "wife", etc and get relevant photos popping up.
- Marsymars 5y ago
  I don't think this is accurate. I don't use the Google Photos cloud service, and searching in the Photos app on my Android phone returns zero results for any search term.
  - ribosometronome 5y ago
    My impression was Google had been doing it for ages. Ex. This article from 2013 where they talk about searching for [my photos of flowers] https://search.googleblog.com/2013/05/finding-your-photos-more-easily-with.html https://search.googleblog.com/2013/05/finding-your-photos-mo... I'm an iOS guy, and don't have an Android device to confirm it. I've got a few photos visible on photos.google.com and they're able to detect "beard", at least. Which, to be fair, it's just a few selfies. iOS does this pretty well. I searched my phone and it was able to recognize and classify a gun as a revolver from a meme I'd saved years ago. That's not this CSAM technology, just something they've been doing for years with ML.
    - Marsymars 5y ago
      Right, the Google Photos service does this, but it's a cloud service, it's not on-device.
  - croutonwagon 5y ago
    I looked on our iphones. And its possible I am an edge case. With the restrictions I have on Siri, icloud (the only use for iCloud is some shared albums with family, in lieu of facebook, and find my) etc. My phone doesn't categorize photos by person or do those montages others routinely get within the photos app. And the only reason I know about them is because my wife asked about them and why our iPhones dont do them. But we don't put stuff on Facebook. Our photos are backed up to our NAS. Phones backup to a macmini only. Siri and search are basically disabled as much as possible (we have to somewhat enable it for carplay) but definitely no voice or anything.

ribosometronome 5y ago

>And there’s nothing to stop them from scanning all images on a device. All images on your device have been scanned for years by ML models to detect things all sorts of things and make your photo library searchable regardless of whether you use an Android or Apple device. That's how you can go and search "dog", "revolver", "wife", etc and get relevant photos popping up.

Marsymars 5y ago
I don't think this is accurate. I don't use the Google Photos cloud service, and searching in the Photos app on my Android phone returns zero results for any search term.
- ribosometronome 5y ago
  My impression was Google had been doing it for ages. Ex. This article from 2013 where they talk about searching for [my photos of flowers] https://search.googleblog.com/2013/05/finding-your-photos-more-easily-with.html https://search.googleblog.com/2013/05/finding-your-photos-mo... I'm an iOS guy, and don't have an Android device to confirm it. I've got a few photos visible on photos.google.com and they're able to detect "beard", at least. Which, to be fair, it's just a few selfies. iOS does this pretty well. I searched my phone and it was able to recognize and classify a gun as a revolver from a meme I'd saved years ago. That's not this CSAM technology, just something they've been doing for years with ML.
  - Marsymars 5y ago
    Right, the Google Photos service does this, but it's a cloud service, it's not on-device.
- croutonwagon 5y ago
  I looked on our iphones. And its possible I am an edge case. With the restrictions I have on Siri, icloud (the only use for iCloud is some shared albums with family, in lieu of facebook, and find my) etc. My phone doesn't categorize photos by person or do those montages others routinely get within the photos app. And the only reason I know about them is because my wife asked about them and why our iPhones dont do them. But we don't put stuff on Facebook. Our photos are backed up to our NAS. Phones backup to a macmini only. Siri and search are basically disabled as much as possible (we have to somewhat enable it for carplay) but definitely no voice or anything.