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What is "this promise"? Because I would consider it "we will only scan files that you upload to iCloud". That was true a month ago and that would be true unde
by slg 5y ago
What is "this promise"? Because I would consider it "we will only scan files that you upload to iCloud". That was true a month ago and that would be true under this new system. The only part that is changing is that the scanning happens on your device before upload rather than on an Apple server after upload. I don't view that as a material difference when Apple already controls the hardware and software on both ends. If we can't trust Apple to follow their promise, their products should already have been considered compromised before this change was announced.
- fsflover 5y ago> The only part that is changing is that the scanning happens on your device before upload This is the key point. 1. What if I change my mind and decide not to upload the picture? 2. This is a new mechanism for scanning private pictures on the device. What could go wrong? > If we can't trust Apple to follow their promise, their products should already have been considered compromised before this change was announced. Many people did trust Apple to keep their files private until now.
- slg 5y agoHow are those two examples different than before? You can't unupload a photo under either the old or new system. I don't know why we would expect that the scanning feature will be more prone to accidentally scan too many photos compared to the uploading feature accidentally uploading too many photos. >Many people did trust Apple to keep their files private until now. And that was my original point. If a pinky promise from Apple is not enough to trust them, then Apple should have never been trusted.
- fsflover 5y ago> You can't unupload a photo under either the old or new system. You can choose to upload many pictures. They will start uploading. Then, you change your mind. Some pictures were not uploaded yet. But they were scanned by the new algorithm.
- kelnos 5y agoI do wonder what happens in that case to the scan results for the photos that weren't yet uploaded. From earlier articles it sounded like the "voucher" is attached to the image upon upload, so it stands to reason that if you cancel an upload, results don't get uploaded for photos that didn't get uploaded. Who knows, though...
- zepto 5y ago> This is a new mechanism for scanning private pictures on the device. No it isn’t. It’s a mechanism for scanning pictures as they are uploaded to iCloud Photo Library. Private pictures on the device are not scanned.
- fsflover 5y agoPictures not uploaded yet are private.
- zepto 5y agoNot if you have opted to have them uploaded.
- int_19h 5y agoCloud backups are the default on iOS, so you rather have to opt out. And that doesn't even account for apps that can do the same.
- zepto 5y agoiCloud backups are not scanned. Also, what apps are you talking about?
- int_19h 5y agoPhotos that are automatically uploaded to iCloud are not scanned? As for apps - WhatsApp, for example, saves everything to Camera Roll by default. Which then gets auto-uploaded to iCloud.
- zepto 5y ago> Photos that are automatically uploaded to iCloud are not scanned? iCloud backups are not scanned. Only photos uploaded to iCloud Photo Library. > As for apps - WhatsApp, for example, saves everything to Camera Roll by default. Which then gets auto-uploaded to iCloud. This is not true at all. The user is asked for explicit permission before apps can save photos to the camera roll, and the user must choose to use iCloud Photo Library.
- lokedhs 5y agoWhy is the scanning done on the device in the first place? Photos uploaded to Icloud are not encrypted (because the US government was apparently opposed to that idea), so why not do what Google and Facebook does and do the scanning once the image reaches their servers. What is the benefit in running the scan on the device?