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NECMEC isn’t owned by the government and the database of hashes is available from Apple.

by websites2023 5y ago

tjfl 5y ago
They're not owned by the federal government, but they do get a lot of federal government money. > The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children® was established in 1984 as a private, nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization. Today, NCMEC performs the following 15 specific programs of work, funded in part by federal grants (34 U.S.C. § 11293): Source: https://www.missingkids.org/footer/about https://www.missingkids.org/footer/about US DOJ OJJDP lists recent grants totaling $84,446,366 in FY19 and FY20. Source: https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/funding/awards/list?awardee=NATIONAL%20CENTER%20FOR%20MISSING%20AND%20EXPLOITED%20CHILDREN%2C%20THE https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/funding/awards/list?awardee=NATIONAL%2...
- __blockcipher__ 5y ago
  And don’t forget, it’s way more than just money: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2258A https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2258A You must report to them and only them. For the GP to claim they’re not government “owned” is a rhetorical trick at best and outright ignorant absurdity at worst.
commoner 5y ago
> NECMEC isn’t owned by the government Even though NCMEC describes itself as "private", it was established by and has been heavily funded by the U.S. government. From an archive of NCMEC's own history page, cited on Wikipedia (https://web.archive.org/web/20121029010231/http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=4362 https://web.archive.org/web/20121029010231/http://www.missin...): > In 1984, the U.S. Congress passed the Missing Children’s Assistance Act which established a National Resource Center and Clearinghouse on Missing and Exploited Children. The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children was designated to fulfill this role. > On June 13, 1984, the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children was opened by President Ronald Reagan in a White House Ceremony. The national 24-hour toll-free missing children’s hotline 1-800-THE-LOST opened as well. $40 million/year of U.S. government funding from a 2013 bill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_Children%27s_Assistance_Reauthorization_Act_of_2013 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_Children%27s_Assistanc...): > The Missing Children's Assistance Reauthorization Act of 2013 (H.R. 3092) is a bill that was introduced into the United States House of Representatives during the 113th United States Congress. The Missing Children's Assistance Reauthorization Act of 2013 reauthorizes the Missing Children's Assistance Act and authorizes $40 million a year to fund the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
__blockcipher__ 5y ago
That’s like saying the federal reserve is “private”. No, the NECMEC is not a private entity. Not only was it heavily funded/created by the gov, but more importantly it is granted special legal status. You and I can’t just spin up our own CSAM database. Nor do we have any laws that say that any companies aware of CSAM must send it to us and only us.

NECMEC isn’t owned by the government and the database of hashes is available from Apple.

tjfl 5y ago

They're not owned by the federal government, but they do get a lot of federal government money. > The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children® was established in 1984 as a private, nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization. Today, NCMEC performs the following 15 specific programs of work, funded in part by federal grants (34 U.S.C. § 11293): Source: https://www.missingkids.org/footer/about https://www.missingkids.org/footer/about US DOJ OJJDP lists recent grants totaling $84,446,366 in FY19 and FY20. Source: https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/funding/awards/list?awardee=NATIONAL%20CENTER%20FOR%20MISSING%20AND%20EXPLOITED%20CHILDREN%2C%20THE https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/funding/awards/list?awardee=NATIONAL%2...

__blockcipher__ 5y ago
And don’t forget, it’s way more than just money: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2258A https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2258A You must report to them and only them. For the GP to claim they’re not government “owned” is a rhetorical trick at best and outright ignorant absurdity at worst.

commoner 5y ago

> NECMEC isn’t owned by the government Even though NCMEC describes itself as "private", it was established by and has been heavily funded by the U.S. government. From an archive of NCMEC's own history page, cited on Wikipedia (https://web.archive.org/web/20121029010231/http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=4362 https://web.archive.org/web/20121029010231/http://www.missin...): > In 1984, the U.S. Congress passed the Missing Children’s Assistance Act which established a National Resource Center and Clearinghouse on Missing and Exploited Children. The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children was designated to fulfill this role. > On June 13, 1984, the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children was opened by President Ronald Reagan in a White House Ceremony. The national 24-hour toll-free missing children’s hotline 1-800-THE-LOST opened as well. $40 million/year of U.S. government funding from a 2013 bill (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_Children%27s_Assistance_Reauthorization_Act_of_2013 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_Children%27s_Assistanc...): > The Missing Children's Assistance Reauthorization Act of 2013 (H.R. 3092) is a bill that was introduced into the United States House of Representatives during the 113th United States Congress. The Missing Children's Assistance Reauthorization Act of 2013 reauthorizes the Missing Children's Assistance Act and authorizes $40 million a year to fund the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

__blockcipher__ 5y ago

That’s like saying the federal reserve is “private”. No, the NECMEC is not a private entity. Not only was it heavily funded/created by the gov, but more importantly it is granted special legal status. You and I can’t just spin up our own CSAM database. Nor do we have any laws that say that any companies aware of CSAM must send it to us and only us.