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Please show evidence where the feature can be turned off (without having to completely disable iCloud photos).

endisneigh 5y ago
You turn it off by turning off iCloud photos, I never claimed otherwise. If you don’t trust Apple why would you use iCloud anyway? Makes no sense.
- petersellers 5y ago
  > You turn it off by turning off iCloud photos, I never claimed otherwise. I just have to point out the ridiculousness of this statement. With your logic any feature in any product can be "turned off" by not using the entire product at all. For example, the radio in my car sounds like shit, I guess I should just stop driving completely to avoid having to hear it. In reality, this new "feature" will be a requirement of using iCloud Photos. The feature itself cannot be turned off. If your answer is to stop using iCloud Photos, that is no help for the millions of people who currently use iCloud Photos. > If you don’t trust Apple why would you use iCloud anyway? Makes no sense. I've trusted Apple for a long time because I felt like they were one of the only companies that cared about consumer privacy. After these actions I am less convinced of that. I'm not sure why that stance is so surprising.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    > In reality, this new "feature" will be a requirement of using iCloud Photos. The feature itself cannot be turned off. If your answer is to stop using iCloud Photos, that is no help for the millions of people who currently use iCloud Photos. iCloud Photos can be used on Windows, for example. This scanning only applies to iOS devices. You could use iCloud Photos and not be subject to the scanning. > I've trusted Apple for a long time because I felt like they were one of the only companies that cared about consumer privacy. After these actions I am less convinced of that. I'm not sure why that stance is so surprising. Nothing about what they're doing is contradictory with privacy beyond what they're already doing. The only reason they're even implementing it this way is because they do care about privacy. They could just not encrypt and scan on the server like Google, Microsoft, Dropbox, Box.com and more.
    - petersellers 5y ago
      > iCloud Photos can be used on Windows, for example. This scanning only applies to iOS devices. You could use iCloud Photos and not be subject to the scanning. That's great for the <0.001% of people who use iCloud Photos without an iPhone. Everyone else is SOL. >Nothing about what they're doing is contradictory with privacy beyond what they're already doing. The only reason they're even implementing it this way is because they do care about privacy. They could just not encrypt and scan on the server like Google, Microsoft, Dropbox, Box.com and more. False dichotomy. Apple doesn't have to do either of these things.
      - endisneigh 5y ago
        NCMEC is an arm of the government. Either they share voluntarily or they get subpoenaed endlessly. Why do you think all of these companies even do this? lol in any case I've given you the solution on how to use iCloud and not be scanned. Take your photos, sync your iDevice to your computer and manually upload to iCloud photos. there you go.
        petersellers 5y ago
        > NCMEC is an arm of the government. Either they share voluntarily or they get subpoenaed endlessly. A subpoena is a lot different than scanning every single photo on every user's device automatically. > Why do you think all of these companies even do this? lol Because most companies don't give a shit about privacy? And they will cave at even the slightest government pressure to do so. Honestly it's probably easier for them that way (but worse for the consumer). > in any case I've given you the solution on how to use iCloud and not be scanned. Take your photos, sync your iDevice to your computer and manually upload to iCloud photos. there you go. Gee thanks, your "solution" is 1000x harder to use than just using iCloud Photos on your iPhone. One of the biggest selling points of it now is for convenience, and this is pretty obvious so I'm starting to think you're just trolling at this point.
        endisneigh 5y ago

You turn it off by turning off iCloud photos, I never claimed otherwise. If you don’t trust Apple why would you use iCloud anyway? Makes no sense.

petersellers 5y ago
> You turn it off by turning off iCloud photos, I never claimed otherwise. I just have to point out the ridiculousness of this statement. With your logic any feature in any product can be "turned off" by not using the entire product at all. For example, the radio in my car sounds like shit, I guess I should just stop driving completely to avoid having to hear it. In reality, this new "feature" will be a requirement of using iCloud Photos. The feature itself cannot be turned off. If your answer is to stop using iCloud Photos, that is no help for the millions of people who currently use iCloud Photos. > If you don’t trust Apple why would you use iCloud anyway? Makes no sense. I've trusted Apple for a long time because I felt like they were one of the only companies that cared about consumer privacy. After these actions I am less convinced of that. I'm not sure why that stance is so surprising.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  > In reality, this new "feature" will be a requirement of using iCloud Photos. The feature itself cannot be turned off. If your answer is to stop using iCloud Photos, that is no help for the millions of people who currently use iCloud Photos. iCloud Photos can be used on Windows, for example. This scanning only applies to iOS devices. You could use iCloud Photos and not be subject to the scanning. > I've trusted Apple for a long time because I felt like they were one of the only companies that cared about consumer privacy. After these actions I am less convinced of that. I'm not sure why that stance is so surprising. Nothing about what they're doing is contradictory with privacy beyond what they're already doing. The only reason they're even implementing it this way is because they do care about privacy. They could just not encrypt and scan on the server like Google, Microsoft, Dropbox, Box.com and more.
  - petersellers 5y ago
    > iCloud Photos can be used on Windows, for example. This scanning only applies to iOS devices. You could use iCloud Photos and not be subject to the scanning. That's great for the <0.001% of people who use iCloud Photos without an iPhone. Everyone else is SOL. >Nothing about what they're doing is contradictory with privacy beyond what they're already doing. The only reason they're even implementing it this way is because they do care about privacy. They could just not encrypt and scan on the server like Google, Microsoft, Dropbox, Box.com and more. False dichotomy. Apple doesn't have to do either of these things.
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      NCMEC is an arm of the government. Either they share voluntarily or they get subpoenaed endlessly. Why do you think all of these companies even do this? lol in any case I've given you the solution on how to use iCloud and not be scanned. Take your photos, sync your iDevice to your computer and manually upload to iCloud photos. there you go.
      - petersellers 5y ago
        > NCMEC is an arm of the government. Either they share voluntarily or they get subpoenaed endlessly. A subpoena is a lot different than scanning every single photo on every user's device automatically. > Why do you think all of these companies even do this? lol Because most companies don't give a shit about privacy? And they will cave at even the slightest government pressure to do so. Honestly it's probably easier for them that way (but worse for the consumer). > in any case I've given you the solution on how to use iCloud and not be scanned. Take your photos, sync your iDevice to your computer and manually upload to iCloud photos. there you go. Gee thanks, your "solution" is 1000x harder to use than just using iCloud Photos on your iPhone. One of the biggest selling points of it now is for convenience, and this is pretty obvious so I'm starting to think you're just trolling at this point.
        endisneigh 5y ago