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plus even more relevant to HN is when authorities are using algorithms as a scapegoat. we probably know what will happen when they start using black box ML with
by dillondoyle 5y ago
plus even more relevant to HN is when authorities are using algorithms as a scapegoat. we probably know what will happen when they start using black box ML with a ton of bias baked in.
There is a scary (gross in my mind) story that reports on some dystopian pre-crime Minority Report Sheriff targeting kids.
Looks like the court case is in process, though not sure why court didn't immediately shut it down pending trial given how (to my non-lawyer brain) this seems that plaintiffs will almost definitely prevail given clear violations of multiple Amendments.
From the reporting:
"Over the span of five months, police went to his home 21 times. They also showed up at his gym and his parent’s place of work. The Tampa Bay Times revealed that since 2015, the sheriff's office has made more than 12,500 similar preemptive visits to people.
These visits often resulted in other, unrelated fines and arrests that further victimized families and added to the likelihood that they would be visited and harassed again. In one incident, the mother of a targeted teenager was issued a $2,500 fine for having chickens in the backyard. In another incident, a father was arrested because his 17-year-old was smoking a cigarette. These behaviors occur in all neighborhoods, across all economic strata—but only marginalized people, who live under near constant police scrutiny, face penalization."
https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/police-pasco-sheriff-targeted/school-data/ https://projects.tampabay.com/projects/2020/investigations/p...
https://ij.org/press-release/pasco-families-win-round-one-in-lawsuit-challenging-predictive-policing-program/ https://ij.org/press-release/pasco-families-win-round-one-in...
- mikem170 5y agoI've heard of this, going back a year or two. The sheriff's target the households presented by the algorithms with the intention of fining, arresting, and otherwise legally harassing the targeted families in an attempt to drive them out of town. Selective enforcement of laws is a problem, and there are plenty of laws to selectively enforce.
- dillondoyle 5y agoIt's not even enforcement it's before any crimes, or after a crime has been adjudicated. What's worse the article shows that the visits induce crimes because of police behavior... But yeah for sure on selective enforcement = super biased. On race and wealth.
- Tabular-Iceberg 5y ago> fine for having chickens in the backyard Land of the free. The arbitrary harassment of the population is one thing, but then there is that mountain of actual laws and regulations that would be considered an overreach even by the standards of most totalitarian dictatorships in the world. What could possibly be wrong with having chickens in the back yard?
- dillondoyle 5y agoOr collecting rain water in a barrel! I wonder if here is a legal concept of the commons, sort of like a really low speed limit on the highway that would be dangerous to follow given every other car goes 15+ over it.