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> For a company that marketed itself as one of the few digital service providers that consumers could trust, I just don't understand how they acted this way at

> For a company that marketed itself as one of the few digital service providers that consumers could trust, I just don't understand how they acted this way at all. Because privacy stance is mostly PR to differentiate from Google. And while there're invalid reasons to get users data, there're also valid ones (at least from legal requirement point of view - let's not get into weeds about personal freedom here and if the laws and its implementations need to be changed). Their PR was just writing the checks they cannot cash without going on a war with governments.

istingray 5y ago
In retrospect this makes sense to me. I don't like it, but I get it now. When Apple said "privacy" what they meant was "we don't like tracking cookies or hackers but everything else is fine".
- websites2023 5y ago
  Privacy means “you pay for the device so we don’t sell your attention to advertisers.” That’s it. There’s no protection against state level actors (Pegasus, CSAM scanning, etc.). If your threat model includes being the target of someone who will plant child pornography on your phone, you are already fucked. And no, Apple isn’t suddenly going to scan Chinese iPhones for Winnie the Pooh memes. They don’t have to. China already has the 50 cent party to do that for them, on WeChat. Basically everything everyone seems to think is just around the corner has already been possible for years.
  - shuckles 5y ago
    Is there a consumer computing device that’s more secure than iPhone against state actors? A Chromebook, maybe?
    - websites2023 5y ago
      There is no consumer grade device that is secure against state actors.
n8cpdx 5y ago
It was obvious from the beginning that the privacy nonsense was a convenient excuse to cover for their poor (especially at the time) cloud offerings compared to competitors like Google. I assumed they pivoted to focus on privacy, but clearly it was just a marketing department innovation rather than a core value (as their marketing department claimed).

istingray 5y ago

In retrospect this makes sense to me. I don't like it, but I get it now. When Apple said "privacy" what they meant was "we don't like tracking cookies or hackers but everything else is fine".

websites2023 5y ago
Privacy means “you pay for the device so we don’t sell your attention to advertisers.” That’s it. There’s no protection against state level actors (Pegasus, CSAM scanning, etc.). If your threat model includes being the target of someone who will plant child pornography on your phone, you are already fucked. And no, Apple isn’t suddenly going to scan Chinese iPhones for Winnie the Pooh memes. They don’t have to. China already has the 50 cent party to do that for them, on WeChat. Basically everything everyone seems to think is just around the corner has already been possible for years.
- shuckles 5y ago
  Is there a consumer computing device that’s more secure than iPhone against state actors? A Chromebook, maybe?
  - websites2023 5y ago
    There is no consumer grade device that is secure against state actors.

n8cpdx 5y ago

It was obvious from the beginning that the privacy nonsense was a convenient excuse to cover for their poor (especially at the time) cloud offerings compared to competitors like Google. I assumed they pivoted to focus on privacy, but clearly it was just a marketing department innovation rather than a core value (as their marketing department claimed).