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by danhak 5y ago

darkwizard42 5y ago
I think the implication is if you aren't able to be vaccinated, until sufficient overall immunity is reached you probably shouldn't be in areas where the disease is easily passed around
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- bagacrap 5y ago
  how is "sufficient overall immunity" aka herd immunity going to be reached? a combination of vaccines and infections. How will we get there if 40% refuse vaccines and we also prevent them from being infected?
  - tzs 5y ago
    This was specifically about people who cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons. They are only a small fraction of the unvaccinated, and usually the medical reasons that keep them from getting vaccinated also make COVID particularly dangerous for them.
munk-a 5y ago
It allows presentation of the NYC COVID Safe Pass and the NY State Excelsior Pass - I'm not a NY resident and am not certain what these cover but medical exemptions may already be baked into those proofs of vaccination. Otherwise yea - I agree that there isn't an accommodation for those with medical conditions precluding vaccination. However, I think the negative test result in lieu is a very different question - those tests are highly effective but allowing test proofs in lieu of vaccination would likely burden the testing framework (which I believe is still freely offered by the government in the states) and would allow a route for objectors to avoid vaccination. I believe at this point the primary goal is to increase vaccination proportions to prevent more disease waves.
skyde 5y ago
A negative test of infection is not acceptable because you can get infected at any moment. but they should accept a positive test for anti-body so that people that already recovered from the virus are equal to vaccinated people. if you have a medical condition precluding vaccination you should not go to indoor activity that are not essential. But i would love to be proven wrong about that. Current vaccine only have 88% efficacy against variants! I still call this a significant risk given the 5% fatality rate.
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  > I still call this a significant risk given the 5% fatality rate. The infection fatality rate is not remotely close to 5%. It's remarkable that we are now over 18 months into this pandemic and so much of the public is still in the thrall of the fearmongering and misinformation about the real magnitude of the threat SARS-CoV-2 poses -- especially to them personally, if they are not in a high-risk group.
  - skyde 5y ago
    All CDC and WHO stats are reporting CFR between 5% and 10% depending on country. if you are above 60year old it’s most often above 10% https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210307/Study-analyzes-COVID-fatality-rate-using-age-and-GDP-as-proxies-for-the-quality-and-abundance-of-healthcare.aspx https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210307/Study-analyzes-CO...
    - skyde 5y ago
      So is it more important that anti-vaxer go to restaurant or that the 60+ population does not get forced to stay home to avoid hospitalization?
    - AndrewBissell 5y ago
      I talk about IFR (which is the relevant risk metric for "fatality rate," since anyone might get a non-confirmed infection) and you link to an article citing CFR data as of July 2020? This doesn't even line up with the CFR numbers you get when you type "US coronavirus cases" into Google.

by danhak 5y ago

I think the implication is if you aren't able to be vaccinated, until sufficient overall immunity is reached you probably shouldn't be in areas where the disease is easily passed around

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bagacrap 5y ago
how is "sufficient overall immunity" aka herd immunity going to be reached? a combination of vaccines and infections. How will we get there if 40% refuse vaccines and we also prevent them from being infected?
- tzs 5y ago
  This was specifically about people who cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons. They are only a small fraction of the unvaccinated, and usually the medical reasons that keep them from getting vaccinated also make COVID particularly dangerous for them.

munk-a 5y ago

It allows presentation of the NYC COVID Safe Pass and the NY State Excelsior Pass - I'm not a NY resident and am not certain what these cover but medical exemptions may already be baked into those proofs of vaccination. Otherwise yea - I agree that there isn't an accommodation for those with medical conditions precluding vaccination. However, I think the negative test result in lieu is a very different question - those tests are highly effective but allowing test proofs in lieu of vaccination would likely burden the testing framework (which I believe is still freely offered by the government in the states) and would allow a route for objectors to avoid vaccination. I believe at this point the primary goal is to increase vaccination proportions to prevent more disease waves.

skyde 5y ago

A negative test of infection is not acceptable because you can get infected at any moment. but they should accept a positive test for anti-body so that people that already recovered from the virus are equal to vaccinated people. if you have a medical condition precluding vaccination you should not go to indoor activity that are not essential. But i would love to be proven wrong about that. Current vaccine only have 88% efficacy against variants! I still call this a significant risk given the 5% fatality rate.

AndrewBissell 5y ago
> I still call this a significant risk given the 5% fatality rate. The infection fatality rate is not remotely close to 5%. It's remarkable that we are now over 18 months into this pandemic and so much of the public is still in the thrall of the fearmongering and misinformation about the real magnitude of the threat SARS-CoV-2 poses -- especially to them personally, if they are not in a high-risk group.
- skyde 5y ago
  All CDC and WHO stats are reporting CFR between 5% and 10% depending on country. if you are above 60year old it’s most often above 10% https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210307/Study-analyzes-COVID-fatality-rate-using-age-and-GDP-as-proxies-for-the-quality-and-abundance-of-healthcare.aspx https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210307/Study-analyzes-CO...
  - skyde 5y ago
    So is it more important that anti-vaxer go to restaurant or that the 60+ population does not get forced to stay home to avoid hospitalization?
  - AndrewBissell 5y ago
    I talk about IFR (which is the relevant risk metric for "fatality rate," since anyone might get a non-confirmed infection) and you link to an article citing CFR data as of July 2020? This doesn't even line up with the CFR numbers you get when you type "US coronavirus cases" into Google.