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A national ID doesn't necessarily have data security implications any more than the current state-by-state DMV system does. The relevance of a national ID is (

by creato 5y ago

A national ID doesn't necessarily have data security implications any more than the current state-by-state DMV system does. The relevance of a national ID is (presumably) so that banks can check identity more reliably, i.e. making security breaches like the T-Mobile one irrelevant. It wouldn't matter if your SSN was public information.

adolph 5y ago
> check identity more reliably Most states in the current system seem to have a crude biometric identity verification of a photo plus point in time stats of height/weight/coloring, all of which is nominally protected/validated by counterfeit protection. How would a national ID be any different?
- nautilius 5y ago
  Do you have to have a 'crude state ID'? Is there any legal pressure to keep the data on it up-to-date? Are the standards for 'crude state IDs' identical between states or would you have to know the rules and regulations of 50 different jurisdictions?
  - mikem170 5y ago
    Conversely, is there a reason we should be optimizing the regulations we, actual human beings, live under for the convenience of national/international corporations?
    - nautilius 5y ago
      That's a completely different question, well worth to be debated. My point is that currently, we don't have anything like a national ID.
  - adolph 5y ago
    > Do you have to have a 'crude state ID'? It is not an explicit legal requirement but encouraged through a coercive network of public/private regulation. > Is there any legal pressure to keep the data on it up-to-date? There are legal consequences for failing to update data. > Are the standards for 'crude state IDs' identical between states or would you have to know the rules and regulations of 50 different jurisdictions? Yes, within the United States there is a "Real ID" standard promoted across states by the federal government. A business operating in any particular jurisdiction is benefited by counsel regarding localization.

by creato 5y ago

adolph 5y ago

> check identity more reliably Most states in the current system seem to have a crude biometric identity verification of a photo plus point in time stats of height/weight/coloring, all of which is nominally protected/validated by counterfeit protection. How would a national ID be any different?

nautilius 5y ago
Do you have to have a 'crude state ID'? Is there any legal pressure to keep the data on it up-to-date? Are the standards for 'crude state IDs' identical between states or would you have to know the rules and regulations of 50 different jurisdictions?
- mikem170 5y ago
  Conversely, is there a reason we should be optimizing the regulations we, actual human beings, live under for the convenience of national/international corporations?
  - nautilius 5y ago
    That's a completely different question, well worth to be debated. My point is that currently, we don't have anything like a national ID.
- adolph 5y ago
  > Do you have to have a 'crude state ID'? It is not an explicit legal requirement but encouraged through a coercive network of public/private regulation. > Is there any legal pressure to keep the data on it up-to-date? There are legal consequences for failing to update data. > Are the standards for 'crude state IDs' identical between states or would you have to know the rules and regulations of 50 different jurisdictions? Yes, within the United States there is a "Real ID" standard promoted across states by the federal government. A business operating in any particular jurisdiction is benefited by counsel regarding localization.