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I don’t think so. Side loading is needed by like 1% of users and for the rest it is bad. For example, I expect most users are like my mom and will never legiti

I don’t think so. Side loading is needed by like 1% of users and for the rest it is bad. For example, I expect most users are like my mom and will never legitimately side load anything unless malware tricks her into it. That being said, Apple should allow it like debug mode or whatever. I just don’t think it’s a big deal because it won’t be used much. And if Epic thinks many users will side load so they can avoid 30%, that’s unlikely.

HumblyTossed 5y ago
> I don’t think so. Side loading is needed by like 1% of users and for the rest it is bad. Then make it not at all obvious how to do it. Grandma will never figure it out, and the 1% of us who WANT the feature can have it.
- askafriend 5y ago
  This is how you end up with Microsoft. Supporting any and all use-cases instead of focusing deeply on the few that matter.
- prepend 5y ago
  What I meant is that malware will do it for grandma or walk her through it. My mom is one of those millions who answer the phone and let scamsters walk her through setting up logmein and taking over her Windows box. The only way I helped her was by switching her to Apple where this isn’t possible. Went from me cleaning her cheapo windows laptop up every six months to three years on an iPad with no cleanup.
wayneftw 5y ago
I'm pretty sure that many corporations would love to distribute private apps to their own company iPhones. Instead, everybody has to ask Apple to please pretty please let some software run on devices that they own.
- taylodl 5y ago
  No you don't. Businesses can load their own applications, bulk purchase software directly from the vendor and avoid paying app store fees (even manage the licenses), force deploy applications to their fleet of iOS devices, and force update iOS applications. We've been able to do that, and have been doing that, for years. No need to get any permission from Apple, no need to submit anything to their App Store, no need to pay Apple anything.
  - wayneftw 5y ago
    That's why Apple revoked Facebook's license to do so. Yes, you can get an enterprise license but Apple can take it away from you at any moment. Apple also makes it very difficult for small businesses to get one in the first place.
    - taylodl 5y ago
      Apple revoked Facebook's ability to distribute their own private iOS applications to their employees? That's what I'm talking about. An enterprise can develop iOS applications and distribute them to their employees' iPhones without permission or intervention from Apple. Maybe we're talking about different scenarios?
      - wayneftw 5y ago
        Do you have to pay Apple yearly and obey Apples rules in order to get an enterprise license? Yes you do. It's $299/year and you have to be a company of a certain size and you need a D & B number. It's the same deal that everybody gets. As a consumer if I wanted to pay Apple $100 per year, I could put my own apps on my phone too... but Apple can revoke my license to do that at any time for any reason.
        taylodl 5y ago
        You might be right, it's been a while since we set all that up at our shop. We use AirWatch MDM which allows us to distribute our own apps to our managed devices without having to interface with Apple at all. I was under the impression we no longer had to have an enterprise license to do that. Confusing things is we also have apps we create for our customers so we do have an enterprise license and have to go through the App Store submit process for those apps.
sprafa 5y ago
it would be interesting to figure out what percentage of Android users do side loading. In my experience, it's way higher than 1%. Maybe 10%, and way higher in young groups.

HumblyTossed 5y ago

> I don’t think so. Side loading is needed by like 1% of users and for the rest it is bad. Then make it not at all obvious how to do it. Grandma will never figure it out, and the 1% of us who WANT the feature can have it.

askafriend 5y ago
This is how you end up with Microsoft. Supporting any and all use-cases instead of focusing deeply on the few that matter.
prepend 5y ago
What I meant is that malware will do it for grandma or walk her through it. My mom is one of those millions who answer the phone and let scamsters walk her through setting up logmein and taking over her Windows box. The only way I helped her was by switching her to Apple where this isn’t possible. Went from me cleaning her cheapo windows laptop up every six months to three years on an iPad with no cleanup.

wayneftw 5y ago

I'm pretty sure that many corporations would love to distribute private apps to their own company iPhones. Instead, everybody has to ask Apple to please pretty please let some software run on devices that they own.

taylodl 5y ago
No you don't. Businesses can load their own applications, bulk purchase software directly from the vendor and avoid paying app store fees (even manage the licenses), force deploy applications to their fleet of iOS devices, and force update iOS applications. We've been able to do that, and have been doing that, for years. No need to get any permission from Apple, no need to submit anything to their App Store, no need to pay Apple anything.
- wayneftw 5y ago
  That's why Apple revoked Facebook's license to do so. Yes, you can get an enterprise license but Apple can take it away from you at any moment. Apple also makes it very difficult for small businesses to get one in the first place.
  - taylodl 5y ago
    Apple revoked Facebook's ability to distribute their own private iOS applications to their employees? That's what I'm talking about. An enterprise can develop iOS applications and distribute them to their employees' iPhones without permission or intervention from Apple. Maybe we're talking about different scenarios?
    - wayneftw 5y ago
      Do you have to pay Apple yearly and obey Apples rules in order to get an enterprise license? Yes you do. It's $299/year and you have to be a company of a certain size and you need a D & B number. It's the same deal that everybody gets. As a consumer if I wanted to pay Apple $100 per year, I could put my own apps on my phone too... but Apple can revoke my license to do that at any time for any reason.
      - taylodl 5y ago
        You might be right, it's been a while since we set all that up at our shop. We use AirWatch MDM which allows us to distribute our own apps to our managed devices without having to interface with Apple at all. I was under the impression we no longer had to have an enterprise license to do that. Confusing things is we also have apps we create for our customers so we do have an enterprise license and have to go through the App Store submit process for those apps.

sprafa 5y ago

it would be interesting to figure out what percentage of Android users do side loading. In my experience, it's way higher than 1%. Maybe 10%, and way higher in young groups.