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Wikipedia says the no fly list only had 47k people on it. The terror watch list had about 1.9M though, so this must be the terror watch list. 1.9M people is a

by Rd6n6 5y ago

Wikipedia says the no fly list only had 47k people on it. The terror watch list had about 1.9M though, so this must be the terror watch list. 1.9M people is a massive number of people > The No Fly List is different from the Terrorist Watch List, a much longer list of people said to be suspected of some involvement with terrorism. As of June 2016, the Terrorist Watch List is estimated to contain over 2,484,442 records, consisting of 1,877,133 individual identities. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List

OJFord 5y ago
The submitted article does say watch list, it's just the title here that ~has~ had the error. (Editing it was fair enough IMO, at least to remove from 'and boy'...)
tvirosi 5y ago
Or the 47k no fly number is just a lie
- jedimastert 5y ago
  It's pretty easy to check, but I'm guessing it's just far easier to get yourself on the watch list.
  - mrits 5y ago
    Must be really annoying when your terrorist cousin comes over and uses your wifi on the holidays.
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    - jedimastert 5y ago
      47k vs 1.9M, meaning it's apparently 40x easier to get on one than the other.
LeoPanthera 5y ago
Non-mobile URL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List
jaclaz 5y ago
>1.9M people is a massive number of people I would say incredibly massive. I mean, to get onto that "terrorist" list (if it is of US origin) most probably it means that the person must have traveled to or within the US by plane (or applied for a Visa, or similar), otherwise the fields of passport_id and country_of_issuance can be empty and (false or real) matches only depend on name, surname and date of birth. In Italy something that is similar to the US SSN is the Codice Fiscale that can be thought as a condensed string based on Surname, Name, Sex, Date of birth, and place of birth (each italian comune, think of a municipality has its own alphanumeric code). At the time it was introduced, there were of course a number of "collisions" due to homonimy or partial homonimy (the algorithm uses only some consonants of Surname and Name, making collisions more likely) and a provision for an "exception" was made, altering last character (which is a control character and normally is a sort of hash of the other data). This allowed up to 26 people born in the same municipality on the same day and with same (or similar) surname and name to get a distinct codice fiscale. For strangers the code for place of birth is instead of municipality the much more generic country of birth. The amount of collisions with foreigners staying in Italy or however needing the codice fiscale (coming from a few countries) zoomed to higher than that and now there are quite a few "non-standard" codice fiscale where one (or more) of the numeric characters has been replaced by a letter character according to a substitution algorithm 0=L, 1=M, etc. starting from the last (rightmost) number. This has raised the number of possibilities from 26 to (I believe) 128 or so and for the moment the system still works. However, last data I could find, is 2016 and there were 36,000 "collisions" on 94,000,000 total, (in 2000 it was some 24,000 on 80,000,000 or so). I wonder what kind of probabilities there are, if you have a common enough name and you are born in a country for which there are many entries in that list to be "picked" for homonimy, if the passport info is either empty or not used.
appleflaxen 5y ago
how can any person on the terror watch list be allowed to fly?

by Rd6n6 5y ago

OJFord 5y ago

The submitted article does say watch list, it's just the title here that ~has~ had the error. (Editing it was fair enough IMO, at least to remove from 'and boy'...)

tvirosi 5y ago

Or the 47k no fly number is just a lie

jedimastert 5y ago
It's pretty easy to check, but I'm guessing it's just far easier to get yourself on the watch list.
- mrits 5y ago
  Must be really annoying when your terrorist cousin comes over and uses your wifi on the holidays.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - jedimastert 5y ago
    47k vs 1.9M, meaning it's apparently 40x easier to get on one than the other.

LeoPanthera 5y ago

Non-mobile URL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List

jaclaz 5y ago

>1.9M people is a massive number of people I would say incredibly massive. I mean, to get onto that "terrorist" list (if it is of US origin) most probably it means that the person must have traveled to or within the US by plane (or applied for a Visa, or similar), otherwise the fields of passport_id and country_of_issuance can be empty and (false or real) matches only depend on name, surname and date of birth. In Italy something that is similar to the US SSN is the Codice Fiscale that can be thought as a condensed string based on Surname, Name, Sex, Date of birth, and place of birth (each italian comune, think of a municipality has its own alphanumeric code). At the time it was introduced, there were of course a number of "collisions" due to homonimy or partial homonimy (the algorithm uses only some consonants of Surname and Name, making collisions more likely) and a provision for an "exception" was made, altering last character (which is a control character and normally is a sort of hash of the other data). This allowed up to 26 people born in the same municipality on the same day and with same (or similar) surname and name to get a distinct codice fiscale. For strangers the code for place of birth is instead of municipality the much more generic country of birth. The amount of collisions with foreigners staying in Italy or however needing the codice fiscale (coming from a few countries) zoomed to higher than that and now there are quite a few "non-standard" codice fiscale where one (or more) of the numeric characters has been replaced by a letter character according to a substitution algorithm 0=L, 1=M, etc. starting from the last (rightmost) number. This has raised the number of possibilities from 26 to (I believe) 128 or so and for the moment the system still works. However, last data I could find, is 2016 and there were 36,000 "collisions" on 94,000,000 total, (in 2000 it was some 24,000 on 80,000,000 or so). I wonder what kind of probabilities there are, if you have a common enough name and you are born in a country for which there are many entries in that list to be "picked" for homonimy, if the passport info is either empty or not used.

appleflaxen 5y ago

how can any person on the terror watch list be allowed to fly?