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Great on you , But i dont see my parents disabling the auto feature , nor do my friends. Youre right indeed , you can protect yourself from this , but all the

Great on you , But i dont see my parents disabling the auto feature , nor do my friends. Youre right indeed , you can protect yourself from this , but all the measures you mentioned are settings which are non-default, A lot of apps annoyingly turn it on by default , while HN users can turn it off , I doubt my grandparents will go through the same effort or understand it. Question is , why should they ? Their phone was supposed to help them , not be a snitch and a snitch with flaws at that. Why should my non-tech friends train to protect themselves from “their” phones. Human society has always tried to place co-existence and trust on their fore frontier , their ideal wish for society. This makes us and our devices act as snitches to each other. Snitch for whom ? Apple ? But yes youre right , that if its normal image it will stop at review level , (altho thats on the condition you trust apple employees who are reviewing them) I just still dont think its a good idea to even reach till this step. This just makes our computers feel more hostile

bengale 5y ago
Ok so your fear is someone will target your grandparents with child porn? If this was such a major problem why has no-one been targeted like this in the last decade when everyone else was scanning for it?
- teitoklien 5y ago
  Here’s an example of exactly that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28221907 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28221907
  - bengale 5y ago
    It's not an example though. Putting aside a lack of news report we'll assume it's true, it's got nothing to do with cloud scanning for images. A picture of someones children wouldn't trigger these systems at all.
    - teitoklien 5y ago
      > its got nothing to do with cloud scanning for images Everyone else are cloud services scanning for images , cloud or on-device wont change the math, math stays same and here the math makes mistake > A picture of someone’s children wouldn’t trigger these systems at all The main post under which we are conversing , is about someone having generated a collision to trigger this system.
      - bengale 5y ago
        I feel we're circling the same issues here so I'll leave it after this. But what you're saying is the point I'm making, many clouds have been doing this for a decade and we've not seen the issues you're worried about. The one example you gave was a photo tech, so human developing photos, making a mistake. Not someone being targeted with material that would trigger google photos or Facebook to flag them, not algorithms making mistakes with photos of someones kids, none of it. The post we're commenting under has created hash collisions with grey blob images, if you get 100 of these they won't get past the review step anyway. It'd be a pointless attack. Like most of the outrage around this system it mostly seems to boil down to FUD.

bengale 5y ago

Ok so your fear is someone will target your grandparents with child porn? If this was such a major problem why has no-one been targeted like this in the last decade when everyone else was scanning for it?

teitoklien 5y ago
Here’s an example of exactly that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28221907 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28221907
- bengale 5y ago
  It's not an example though. Putting aside a lack of news report we'll assume it's true, it's got nothing to do with cloud scanning for images. A picture of someones children wouldn't trigger these systems at all.
  - teitoklien 5y ago
    > its got nothing to do with cloud scanning for images Everyone else are cloud services scanning for images , cloud or on-device wont change the math, math stays same and here the math makes mistake > A picture of someone’s children wouldn’t trigger these systems at all The main post under which we are conversing , is about someone having generated a collision to trigger this system.
    - bengale 5y ago
      I feel we're circling the same issues here so I'll leave it after this. But what you're saying is the point I'm making, many clouds have been doing this for a decade and we've not seen the issues you're worried about. The one example you gave was a photo tech, so human developing photos, making a mistake. Not someone being targeted with material that would trigger google photos or Facebook to flag them, not algorithms making mistakes with photos of someones kids, none of it. The post we're commenting under has created hash collisions with grey blob images, if you get 100 of these they won't get past the review step anyway. It'd be a pointless attack. Like most of the outrage around this system it mostly seems to boil down to FUD.