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I think it's less about privacy and more about what the invading actor will/can actually do. People are less concerned about the Chinese government's reach vs.
by system16 5y ago
I think it's less about privacy and more about what the invading actor will/can actually do. People are less concerned about the Chinese government's reach vs. the NSA or other three letter agencies in the US. I suppose if you are important enough to the Chinese government whatever they have on you could be used as blackmail, but most 'regular' people don't fall into that category.
- imwillofficial 5y ago> People are less concerned about the Chinese government's reach vs. the NSA Wait what? You’re 180 degrees wrong.
- dmantis 5y agoHe is right. US has complete power over people on their soil and basically in Europe and Asia as well. They do a LOT of extraditions of other countries citizens when they go traveling or to business trips from their citizenship countries. China, on the other hand, does not seem to give a single f* about foreigners, only about their own citizens. Most people are not so are not really endangered even if chinese spyers do know what they handle on their phones. So in battle between US spyers/China spyers I'd better give my data to Chinese, if I don't have a choice not to share my data at all. China, as well, don't try to make extraterritorial laws (like financial regulations), so it's harder to even be targeted by CCP if your are a foreigner.
- ChemSpider 5y agoYou should talk to this Swedish guy. He was captured in Thailand(!) by Chinese agents: https://www.dw.com/en/china-sentences-swedish-publisher-to-10-years-in-prison/a-52517293 https://www.dw.com/en/china-sentences-swedish-publisher-to-1...
- isoskeles 5y agoI do feel bad for the man, but he's not just a "Swedish guy."
- macksd 5y agoOf the two, which government do I think is more evil? China's. Which government do I, a permanent resident of America, think could more immediately make my life harder by being able to invade my privacy? America's.
- ChemSpider 5y agoWell, as somebody who has travel to China for business, I would not touch any Chinese hardware or OS at all. In the US and EU you have a working legal system.
- croutonwagon 5y agoThats moving the goalposts a bit though. The question wasnt in the context of those that go to, travel through or deal with Chinese government on the regular. But rather in the context of those in America that largely only deal with American government officials and those outcomes. And to my knowledge. China isnt abducting people or conduction renditions on american soil.
- macksd 5y agoAs I said, I am not such a person. Most of the English-speaking world consists of the same. As I said - I agree that China's government is worse. In fact my previous employer had a policy that company devices just didn't cross that border, even when traveling for work. But it's still not a factor in which devices I purchase myself.
- imwillofficial 5y ago> Of the two, which government do I think is more evil? But that's not what the original comment said.
- macksd 5y agoI didn't say they said that. It's also not my whole comment. Not sure what you're getting at.
- dpratt 5y agoI think the point is that the average person who resides in the US is more concerned with Orwellian overreach from the NSA than the CCP surveillance apparatus. The Chinese secret police don’t present a threat to me, whereas the NSA has the means, motive (at the leadership level) and opportunity to violate my natural rights.
- garmaine 5y agoDepends on the person. Those of us with ties to lands within Chinese sphere of influence are rightly more cautious. Others just don’t care.
- jon-wood 5y agoIf one of the US TLAs has decided to target you you’re fucked. No amount of switching phones and OS is going to help you, short of completely disconnecting from the internet and not using any sort of financial infrastructure.
- greyhair 5y agoLikewise, if the criminal underworld has decided to target you, you are equally fucked.