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What would they have to do to lose your business? Literally get you arrested? You're financially supporting the creation of an Orwellian dystopia.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
Every other cloud provider has scanned since 2013. We're already in the Orwellian dystopia.
- nicce 5y ago
  I think Apple is the only major company who tries at least a little to resist Orwellian dystopia. Business model of other companies cannot allow resisting.
  - Keats 5y ago
    Are we talking about the major company that is happy to give access to all of their users content if the country (eg China) asks? If they were really serious about privacy they would not operate under those conditions.
    - nicce 5y ago
      Company can't operate in the country, if they don't follow country's rules. Sad truth. They should have left the China in that case. On their defense, they have given only information which is stored by their system, not actively increasing the collection of it or creation of backdoors.
- fartcannon 5y ago
  Lineage and Linux exist and they're incredible. You've simply give up.
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    Lineage requires the Play Store to have paid apps or things I now pretty-much need for everyday life, at which point you've lost and it doesn't really matter whether it's Lineage or stock Android. Linux is incredible... and still unusable for many everyday apps and workflows, and simply not an option for many people including myself. I've tried Linux distributions since 2011, they aren't there yet.
    - fartcannon 5y ago
      None of those things matter as much as a future where corporations don't have carte blanche over your information. Support the continued freedom you enjoyed in your youth for future generations.
    - nicce 5y ago
      > Linux is incredible... and still unusable for many everyday apps and workflows, and simply not an option for many people including myself. I've tried Linux distributions since 2011, they aren't there yet. I have actually totally dumped Windows recently (I have tried it past 5 years), because now Linux is getting very close for everything I need, and this same applies for many people. Can you give some examples which aren't there yet?
- 28220968 5y ago
  Can someone explain this to me -- The whole premise is that Google and Facebook and everyone else are just doing this on the unencrypted photos you upload, in their cloud, with their own (presumably, but correct me if I'm wrong) undocumented algorithms and datasets. Now here comes Apple, documenting almost everything except the dataset itself, and everyone is freaking out because it's happening on your own device. But then it's encrypting the whole thing and uploading it to Apple where they presumably do no additional scanning. What is the actual difference if it's being looked for on-device vs. by the provider? Supposedly in preparation for a bigger push of encryption of the photos themselves, if they are not already encrypted in the cloud. Am I missing something more than "but it's happening on-device!"?
  - marcus_holmes 5y ago
    I think part of it is that Apple has always said "what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone". People expect Microsoft to be evil, and (post "don't be evil") Google to be evil. Apple was supposed to be the good guys in this. So it's more surprising and feels more like a betrayal when Apple decides to be evil. Also, it's actually pretty easy to mess with Android and get it un-googled. Google don't make most Android phones, so there's less hardware-level enforcement of rules, and more independent alternatives. This is less so for Apple devices. If Apple decides to do something you don't like to your phone, you are SOL; you can only accept it or ditch Apple and switch to Android/something else.
    - nicce 5y ago
      > "what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone" Well, technically this is still true. Files you are putting to iCloud by yourself voluntarily are not staying in your iPhone in the first hand. Everything which is against this, is only speculation currently.
      - marcus_holmes 5y ago
        Except that this is all about analysing files that are not on iCloud, but on the device. So what is on your phone is now being reported to people who might decide to trash your life. Hardly "staying on your iPhone".
artursapek 5y ago
If you're uploading your photos to someone else's computer, you've already accepted this state of things. It's a trade-off for convenience.
- fartcannon 5y ago
  I'm not and you shouldn't either.
  - artursapek 5y ago
    I'm not telling you what to do, am I?

gjsman-1000 5y ago

Every other cloud provider has scanned since 2013. We're already in the Orwellian dystopia.

nicce 5y ago
I think Apple is the only major company who tries at least a little to resist Orwellian dystopia. Business model of other companies cannot allow resisting.
- Keats 5y ago
  Are we talking about the major company that is happy to give access to all of their users content if the country (eg China) asks? If they were really serious about privacy they would not operate under those conditions.
  - nicce 5y ago
    Company can't operate in the country, if they don't follow country's rules. Sad truth. They should have left the China in that case. On their defense, they have given only information which is stored by their system, not actively increasing the collection of it or creation of backdoors.
fartcannon 5y ago
Lineage and Linux exist and they're incredible. You've simply give up.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  Lineage requires the Play Store to have paid apps or things I now pretty-much need for everyday life, at which point you've lost and it doesn't really matter whether it's Lineage or stock Android. Linux is incredible... and still unusable for many everyday apps and workflows, and simply not an option for many people including myself. I've tried Linux distributions since 2011, they aren't there yet.
  - fartcannon 5y ago
    None of those things matter as much as a future where corporations don't have carte blanche over your information. Support the continued freedom you enjoyed in your youth for future generations.
  - nicce 5y ago
    > Linux is incredible... and still unusable for many everyday apps and workflows, and simply not an option for many people including myself. I've tried Linux distributions since 2011, they aren't there yet. I have actually totally dumped Windows recently (I have tried it past 5 years), because now Linux is getting very close for everything I need, and this same applies for many people. Can you give some examples which aren't there yet?
28220968 5y ago
Can someone explain this to me -- The whole premise is that Google and Facebook and everyone else are just doing this on the unencrypted photos you upload, in their cloud, with their own (presumably, but correct me if I'm wrong) undocumented algorithms and datasets. Now here comes Apple, documenting almost everything except the dataset itself, and everyone is freaking out because it's happening on your own device. But then it's encrypting the whole thing and uploading it to Apple where they presumably do no additional scanning. What is the actual difference if it's being looked for on-device vs. by the provider? Supposedly in preparation for a bigger push of encryption of the photos themselves, if they are not already encrypted in the cloud. Am I missing something more than "but it's happening on-device!"?
- marcus_holmes 5y ago
  I think part of it is that Apple has always said "what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone". People expect Microsoft to be evil, and (post "don't be evil") Google to be evil. Apple was supposed to be the good guys in this. So it's more surprising and feels more like a betrayal when Apple decides to be evil. Also, it's actually pretty easy to mess with Android and get it un-googled. Google don't make most Android phones, so there's less hardware-level enforcement of rules, and more independent alternatives. This is less so for Apple devices. If Apple decides to do something you don't like to your phone, you are SOL; you can only accept it or ditch Apple and switch to Android/something else.
  - nicce 5y ago
    > "what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone" Well, technically this is still true. Files you are putting to iCloud by yourself voluntarily are not staying in your iPhone in the first hand. Everything which is against this, is only speculation currently.
    - marcus_holmes 5y ago
      Except that this is all about analysing files that are not on iCloud, but on the device. So what is on your phone is now being reported to people who might decide to trash your life. Hardly "staying on your iPhone".

artursapek 5y ago

If you're uploading your photos to someone else's computer, you've already accepted this state of things. It's a trade-off for convenience.

fartcannon 5y ago
I'm not and you shouldn't either.
- artursapek 5y ago
  I'm not telling you what to do, am I?