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Someone trying to kick through a window or open a door does not pose any threat to you. The door will not open. The window itself is strong enough to withstand

by Stevvo 5y ago

Someone trying to kick through a window or open a door does not pose any threat to you. The door will not open. The window itself is strong enough to withstand any kick that someone could put on it, but that is largely irrelevant as there is the a scratch pane, and that additional window with the tiny hole in the bottom in front of it for additional protection. If you're holding a choke hold beyond the point someone has passed out, i.e. "risking killing them", then YOU are the danger to others in that situation, not mentally ill dude trying in futility to exit the aircraft at 36000ft.

relax88 5y ago
There is a risk of killing someone regardless of how long you hold a choke hold. Obviously if you could restrain them it wouldn’t be necessary. Im also not sure what to make of your comments regarding windows and doors on airplanes. It seems the doors would be impossible to open at high enough altitude, but I’m not so sure about windows: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243764/Man-arrested-punching-JetBlue-plane-window-allowed-sit-mother.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243764/Man-arreste... I wonder if in this example it was just the interior layer of plastic/glass?
- Stevvo 5y ago
  Doors including emergency exits are locked by the aircraft's systems when airborne. It's possible, though unlikely, the guy in the article made it through the middle plexiglass layer in addition to the inner layer which is only there to stop you from scratching the plexiglass; at 4mm thick it's certainly within the realm of human strength. However at 12mm the outer layer is comfortably beyond what a human could crack without weapons/tools.
trollski 5y ago
exactly the crew in that situation should ductape the choker and let the other go on with his kicking since its harmless. oh yeah i forgot you never said you suggest anyone should be taped. apologies for the strawman.

by Stevvo 5y ago

relax88 5y ago

There is a risk of killing someone regardless of how long you hold a choke hold. Obviously if you could restrain them it wouldn’t be necessary. Im also not sure what to make of your comments regarding windows and doors on airplanes. It seems the doors would be impossible to open at high enough altitude, but I’m not so sure about windows: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243764/Man-arrested-punching-JetBlue-plane-window-allowed-sit-mother.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243764/Man-arreste... I wonder if in this example it was just the interior layer of plastic/glass?

Stevvo 5y ago
Doors including emergency exits are locked by the aircraft's systems when airborne. It's possible, though unlikely, the guy in the article made it through the middle plexiglass layer in addition to the inner layer which is only there to stop you from scratching the plexiglass; at 4mm thick it's certainly within the realm of human strength. However at 12mm the outer layer is comfortably beyond what a human could crack without weapons/tools.

trollski 5y ago

exactly the crew in that situation should ductape the choker and let the other go on with his kicking since its harmless. oh yeah i forgot you never said you suggest anyone should be taped. apologies for the strawman.