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Yeah, I would have zero hesitation choking that person out if they were trying to kick a window or open a door. Even if there is a risk of killing them.

Stevvo 5y ago
Someone trying to kick through a window or open a door does not pose any threat to you. The door will not open. The window itself is strong enough to withstand any kick that someone could put on it, but that is largely irrelevant as there is the a scratch pane, and that additional window with the tiny hole in the bottom in front of it for additional protection. If you're holding a choke hold beyond the point someone has passed out, i.e. "risking killing them", then YOU are the danger to others in that situation, not mentally ill dude trying in futility to exit the aircraft at 36000ft.
- relax88 5y ago
  There is a risk of killing someone regardless of how long you hold a choke hold. Obviously if you could restrain them it wouldn’t be necessary. Im also not sure what to make of your comments regarding windows and doors on airplanes. It seems the doors would be impossible to open at high enough altitude, but I’m not so sure about windows: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243764/Man-arrested-punching-JetBlue-plane-window-allowed-sit-mother.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243764/Man-arreste... I wonder if in this example it was just the interior layer of plastic/glass?
  - Stevvo 5y ago
    Doors including emergency exits are locked by the aircraft's systems when airborne. It's possible, though unlikely, the guy in the article made it through the middle plexiglass layer in addition to the inner layer which is only there to stop you from scratching the plexiglass; at 4mm thick it's certainly within the realm of human strength. However at 12mm the outer layer is comfortably beyond what a human could crack without weapons/tools.
- trollski 5y ago
  exactly the crew in that situation should ductape the choker and let the other go on with his kicking since its harmless. oh yeah i forgot you never said you suggest anyone should be taped. apologies for the strawman.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
A 13yo kid? Because that's who was trying to kick out a window. That incident was a case of a kid throwing a tantrum. A choke hold is not the proper response to that. IMO, duck taping the little shit to the seat is a very appropriate response if the child is truly uncontrollable.
- okprod 5y ago
  I'm in favor of the duct tape as well (as a step after requiring a minor's parents to manage them), but in these types of situations there isn't much time to assess and respond appropriately. For all anyone knows the 13 year old could have been attempting the next 9/11 in a coordinated effort.
  - lamontcg 5y ago
    I'm fairly certain that the next coordinated 9/11 attack won't involve unarmed 13 year olds.
    - okprod 5y ago
      Yea me too, I meant in a quick, tense situation sometimes it's hard to tell how old someone is
- moate 5y ago
  Are you saying a 13 year old is incapable of kicking out a window or incapable of understand that kicking out a window is going to cause catastrophic consequences and therefore should be treated differently? What about this being a 13 year old is mitigating in your mind vs a middle-aged person?
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    The kid is arguably too stupid to know better so taping him to a seat and making him look like an idiot is more appropriate (especially considering the parent asked for help in this case) and physical violence is less appropriate relative to an equivalent situation with someone old enough to know better.
mrfusion 5y ago
You guys have really lost your minds on here.

Stevvo 5y ago

Someone trying to kick through a window or open a door does not pose any threat to you. The door will not open. The window itself is strong enough to withstand any kick that someone could put on it, but that is largely irrelevant as there is the a scratch pane, and that additional window with the tiny hole in the bottom in front of it for additional protection. If you're holding a choke hold beyond the point someone has passed out, i.e. "risking killing them", then YOU are the danger to others in that situation, not mentally ill dude trying in futility to exit the aircraft at 36000ft.

relax88 5y ago
There is a risk of killing someone regardless of how long you hold a choke hold. Obviously if you could restrain them it wouldn’t be necessary. Im also not sure what to make of your comments regarding windows and doors on airplanes. It seems the doors would be impossible to open at high enough altitude, but I’m not so sure about windows: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243764/Man-arrested-punching-JetBlue-plane-window-allowed-sit-mother.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243764/Man-arreste... I wonder if in this example it was just the interior layer of plastic/glass?
- Stevvo 5y ago
  Doors including emergency exits are locked by the aircraft's systems when airborne. It's possible, though unlikely, the guy in the article made it through the middle plexiglass layer in addition to the inner layer which is only there to stop you from scratching the plexiglass; at 4mm thick it's certainly within the realm of human strength. However at 12mm the outer layer is comfortably beyond what a human could crack without weapons/tools.
trollski 5y ago
exactly the crew in that situation should ductape the choker and let the other go on with his kicking since its harmless. oh yeah i forgot you never said you suggest anyone should be taped. apologies for the strawman.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

A 13yo kid? Because that's who was trying to kick out a window. That incident was a case of a kid throwing a tantrum. A choke hold is not the proper response to that. IMO, duck taping the little shit to the seat is a very appropriate response if the child is truly uncontrollable.

okprod 5y ago
I'm in favor of the duct tape as well (as a step after requiring a minor's parents to manage them), but in these types of situations there isn't much time to assess and respond appropriately. For all anyone knows the 13 year old could have been attempting the next 9/11 in a coordinated effort.
- lamontcg 5y ago
  I'm fairly certain that the next coordinated 9/11 attack won't involve unarmed 13 year olds.
  - okprod 5y ago
    Yea me too, I meant in a quick, tense situation sometimes it's hard to tell how old someone is
moate 5y ago
Are you saying a 13 year old is incapable of kicking out a window or incapable of understand that kicking out a window is going to cause catastrophic consequences and therefore should be treated differently? What about this being a 13 year old is mitigating in your mind vs a middle-aged person?
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  The kid is arguably too stupid to know better so taping him to a seat and making him look like an idiot is more appropriate (especially considering the parent asked for help in this case) and physical violence is less appropriate relative to an equivalent situation with someone old enough to know better.

mrfusion 5y ago

You guys have really lost your minds on here.