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macOS has been announced to scan just like iOS

by 0x0 5y ago

gjsman-1000 5y ago
Incorrect. It will use a generic model to warn children that they could be exposed to nudity, but that runs on-device and sends nothing to Apple. (It's just a generic nudity detection model). On iOS and iPadOS, they will implement the iCloud Photos CSAM scanning, but Apple left out macOS as having that for now. Rumoredly according to GitHub reverse-engineers of the system, it's due to the mathematical precision of the NeuralHash algorithm being processor-dependent on ARM and not Intel.
- 0x0 5y ago
  From https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ : > These features are coming later this year in updates to iOS 15, iPadOS 15, watchOS 8, and macOS Monterey.
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    In that case, I'm not sure. The people reverse-engineering the algorithm say they aren't quite sure if that's because the system hasn't shown up in MacOS Developer Previews yet (where it has in iOS and iPadOS), or if that's because they are referring to the generic nudity detection instead of the database matching system. For now, the security experts looking at this say that the nudity detection model is on all platforms, but the database matching in iCloud Photos is only on iOS and iPadOS and it's unclear whether it will come to macOS.
  - djrogers 5y ago
    That's at the end of a summary of all 3 features. Each one has the specific OSs listed though: > iOS and iPadOS will use new applications of cryptography to help limit the spread of CSAM online
  - tpush 5y ago
    It's a bit confusing; 2 paragraphs above that line: "Next, iOS and iPadOS will use new applications of cryptography to help limit the spread of CSAM online, while designing for user privacy." That implies macOS isn't getting the CSAM scanning stuff (yet?).
- rvz 5y ago
  > Rumoredly according to GitHub reverse-engineers of the system, it's due to the mathematical precision of the NeuralHash algorithm being processor-dependent on ARM and not Intel. If true, it's highly probable that Apple can just port it to macOS and have it work especially for the Apple Silicon line up rather than Intel. But only Apple knows. But so far, it seems like ignoring the M1 hype was the smart thing do.

macOS has been announced to scan just like iOS

by 0x0 5y ago

macOS has been announced to scan just like iOS

Incorrect. It will use a generic model to warn children that they could be exposed to nudity, but that runs on-device and sends nothing to Apple. (It's just a generic nudity detection model). On iOS and iPadOS, they will implement the iCloud Photos CSAM scanning, but Apple left out macOS as having that for now. Rumoredly according to GitHub reverse-engineers of the system, it's due to the mathematical precision of the NeuralHash algorithm being processor-dependent on ARM and not Intel.

0x0 5y ago
From https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ https://www.apple.com/child-safety/ : > These features are coming later this year in updates to iOS 15, iPadOS 15, watchOS 8, and macOS Monterey.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  In that case, I'm not sure. The people reverse-engineering the algorithm say they aren't quite sure if that's because the system hasn't shown up in MacOS Developer Previews yet (where it has in iOS and iPadOS), or if that's because they are referring to the generic nudity detection instead of the database matching system. For now, the security experts looking at this say that the nudity detection model is on all platforms, but the database matching in iCloud Photos is only on iOS and iPadOS and it's unclear whether it will come to macOS.
- djrogers 5y ago
  That's at the end of a summary of all 3 features. Each one has the specific OSs listed though: > iOS and iPadOS will use new applications of cryptography to help limit the spread of CSAM online
- tpush 5y ago
  It's a bit confusing; 2 paragraphs above that line: "Next, iOS and iPadOS will use new applications of cryptography to help limit the spread of CSAM online, while designing for user privacy." That implies macOS isn't getting the CSAM scanning stuff (yet?).
rvz 5y ago
> Rumoredly according to GitHub reverse-engineers of the system, it's due to the mathematical precision of the NeuralHash algorithm being processor-dependent on ARM and not Intel. If true, it's highly probable that Apple can just port it to macOS and have it work especially for the Apple Silicon line up rather than Intel. But only Apple knows. But so far, it seems like ignoring the M1 hype was the smart thing do.