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Six to eight weeks of vacation, plentiful Holidays, a 35-hour work week. If you look beyond pay as strictly salary and break it down into an hourly rate, I'd ar

by tharne 5y ago

Six to eight weeks of vacation, plentiful Holidays, a 35-hour work week. If you look beyond pay as strictly salary and break it down into an hourly rate, I'd argue that European developers make considerably more than their American counterparts.

carlhjerpe 5y ago
I make 55k per year and pocket about 41k, 14k goes to taxes. To be fair I'm a 26uy old sysadmin, but my understanding of the US is that this would be low tier, whereas in Sweden this is quite great, specially considering my age. I get 5 paid weeks, 2 or 3 unpaid. Considering our free healthcare is shit unless you're about to die or get rendered useless I'd say there's a difference. I do understand why though, American IT companies automatically have a reach of 350M people without a fuzz, the biggest you can go in Europe (in one country) is 80m speaking the same language. What I mean is, an American developers code is more likely to be used by more people, generating more profit, driving wages up. We need to regulate English proficiency in the EU (as in school wise or get fined a couple billions) to be able to get to the level you're already at. EDIT: my employer effectively pays 77k for me with the "employers tax" too, so 77-41=36 almost 50% is taxed away, so that skews the numbers a bit more.
misterS 5y ago
Let me assure you that not all European developers have such generous conditions.
odiroot 5y ago
> Six to eight weeks of vacation, plentiful Holidays, a 35-hour work week. That's very rare even for jobs with good employers.
- aweb 5y ago
  It's pretty standard for France, come work here! :)
  - tharne 5y ago
    Would if I could, how's an American go about getting a work permit?
tcbasche 5y ago
I often get the feeling many people just maximise their take-home pay rather than how they function within the rest of society (and what society can do for them). I don't think any amount of money would convince me to have to live in the US.

by tharne 5y ago

carlhjerpe 5y ago

I make 55k per year and pocket about 41k, 14k goes to taxes. To be fair I'm a 26uy old sysadmin, but my understanding of the US is that this would be low tier, whereas in Sweden this is quite great, specially considering my age. I get 5 paid weeks, 2 or 3 unpaid. Considering our free healthcare is shit unless you're about to die or get rendered useless I'd say there's a difference. I do understand why though, American IT companies automatically have a reach of 350M people without a fuzz, the biggest you can go in Europe (in one country) is 80m speaking the same language. What I mean is, an American developers code is more likely to be used by more people, generating more profit, driving wages up. We need to regulate English proficiency in the EU (as in school wise or get fined a couple billions) to be able to get to the level you're already at. EDIT: my employer effectively pays 77k for me with the "employers tax" too, so 77-41=36 almost 50% is taxed away, so that skews the numbers a bit more.

misterS 5y ago

Let me assure you that not all European developers have such generous conditions.

odiroot 5y ago

> Six to eight weeks of vacation, plentiful Holidays, a 35-hour work week. That's very rare even for jobs with good employers.

aweb 5y ago
It's pretty standard for France, come work here! :)
- tharne 5y ago
  Would if I could, how's an American go about getting a work permit?

tcbasche 5y ago

I often get the feeling many people just maximise their take-home pay rather than how they function within the rest of society (and what society can do for them). I don't think any amount of money would convince me to have to live in the US.