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Remember when there was the case of unexpected speeding leading to accident by one OEM? It doesn't matter the question of "Oh, what was the accident rate when

Remember when there was the case of unexpected speeding leading to accident by one OEM? It doesn't matter the question of "Oh, what was the accident rate when people where unexpectedly speeding?" What matters was that single type of car by one OEM. If that OEM has some type of problem with its cars, then its a systematic failure which needs to be investigated and resolved by that OEM.

darkerside 5y ago
This belongs in the straw man Hall of Fame. The stuck accelerator is the problem and crashes are the terrible symptom. You would compare how often Toyota's accelerators stuck compared to other manufacturers in bringing a class action suit, would you not? Similarly, if the AI driver crashes in that situation in a similar (or even less) rate to the base rate (manual driving), you would likely not reasonably bring a suit. Either way you should arrive to improve the AI, but the base rate does matter, and telling someone their question does not matter because you personally don't care about it is bullshit.
- 542354234235 5y ago
  The base rate of results doesn’t necessarily matter when you are talking about two different causes. For a stuck accelerator, you are comparing the same cause (stuck accelerator) leading to the same result (fast acceleration leading to dangerous driving conditions). You can’t compare the base rate of fast acceleration leading to dangerous driving conditions, that can happen for many reasons, including intentional driver choice, and make any meaningful conclusion. Because the base rate of an equipment failure (stuck accelerator) leading to fast acceleration, and the base rate of individual driver choice leading to fast acceleration aren’t the same thing. It is the same here. Comparing individual human choices and errors leading to striking emergency vehicles with an equipment failure (Tesla’s detection and control software) leading to striking emergency vehicles is not a comparison and it is no more an excuse to not hold Tesla accountable than it would be to not hold Toyota accountable because their accelerators stick less often than a teenager decided to mash the gas on his new car and wrecks it.

darkerside 5y ago

This belongs in the straw man Hall of Fame. The stuck accelerator is the problem and crashes are the terrible symptom. You would compare how often Toyota's accelerators stuck compared to other manufacturers in bringing a class action suit, would you not? Similarly, if the AI driver crashes in that situation in a similar (or even less) rate to the base rate (manual driving), you would likely not reasonably bring a suit. Either way you should arrive to improve the AI, but the base rate does matter, and telling someone their question does not matter because you personally don't care about it is bullshit.

542354234235 5y ago
The base rate of results doesn’t necessarily matter when you are talking about two different causes. For a stuck accelerator, you are comparing the same cause (stuck accelerator) leading to the same result (fast acceleration leading to dangerous driving conditions). You can’t compare the base rate of fast acceleration leading to dangerous driving conditions, that can happen for many reasons, including intentional driver choice, and make any meaningful conclusion. Because the base rate of an equipment failure (stuck accelerator) leading to fast acceleration, and the base rate of individual driver choice leading to fast acceleration aren’t the same thing. It is the same here. Comparing individual human choices and errors leading to striking emergency vehicles with an equipment failure (Tesla’s detection and control software) leading to striking emergency vehicles is not a comparison and it is no more an excuse to not hold Tesla accountable than it would be to not hold Toyota accountable because their accelerators stick less often than a teenager decided to mash the gas on his new car and wrecks it.