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Even if they end up canning the idea, they have been gaslighting their user base in the past week or so. Their CSAM implementation betrays their earlier stateme

Even if they end up canning the idea, they have been gaslighting their user base in the past week or so. Their CSAM implementation betrays their earlier statements on privacy, so they are dead to me already. Since a few days, I have finished switching over from a Mac Mini (M1), iPhone and Watch to a desktop (with a proper graphics card, unlike the M1), a phone with LineageOS (and microG, so no/little Google) and an Amazfit GTR 2e watch. Apple is missing out on 3-4k in purchases from me in this year alone.

intricatedetail 5y ago
Same here I was going to buy an iPhone and waiting for Mac update, but now I am going buy Xperia and still researching a laptop.
- ByteWelder 5y ago
  If you're still in doubt about the phone, I recommend OnePlus devices, because they seem to generally work well with the microG variant of LineageOS (https://lineage.microg.org/ https://lineage.microg.org/), which allows you to break free from Google too. Alternatively, Pixel devices also support a wide range of ROMs, including LineageOS. With microG to replace Google Services, you still get push notifications, but without having to log in with a Google account. I've got a OnePlus 8T for 3 days now. The OnePlus 9 sadly isn't yet supported by LineageOS, and the 9 Pro has some downsides that I don't like.
  - intricatedetail 5y ago
    I have a strict rule to not buy anything made in China if I can get an alternative from a different country so my choices are quite limited.
    - foepys 5y ago
      Are there any smartphones definitely made outside of China? I know that Apple has a new factory in India (or similar) but still does some production in China.
      - windowsrookie 5y ago
        Samsung makes most of their premium phones outside of China.
bodge5000 5y ago
New customers too, I was thinking about going to pretty extreme lengths just to use an iphone (I'm not willing to give up on usb-c + headphone jack, but loved the privacy aspect, so was considering a usb-c charging case with a small DAC strapped to the back of it), but with the privacy aspect gone, that seems a bit pointless. I'm not gonna sell my iPad or anything, but I have no plans on vaulting into the walled garden now
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Gareth321 5y ago
That looks like a great watch! Thanks for the suggestion. I'm in the process of leaving the Apple ecosystem as well and have been looking for a Watch replacement. It's this or the Galaxy Watch 4.
- ByteWelder 5y ago
  You're welcome! If you want more features, the GTR 2 (regular, not "e") is only ~20 EUR more and gives you WiFi and some storage for music and some other extra features. The GTR 2e supposedly last much longer on a charge though. I've got the "always on display" feature activated and I project to have 7-10 days of battery life.
laurent92 5y ago
I guess Apple makes too much revenue and tries to get rid of customers. They have to have counter incentives for customers, or they won’t be able to provide everyone.
n8cpdx 5y ago
Glad I’m not the only one. By the end of this week I’ll have: - synology nas to replace iCloud - XPS 13 (hopefully running Linux, or at worst a heavily locked down Windows 10) - Pixel 4 with grapheneOS I’ll be selling my 12 Mini, M1 Mac Mini, Watch 6, and iPad; Apple services subscriptions have already been canceled. Signal seems to be a capable replacement for iMessage so far. I was really looking forward to the fall hardware announcements, but I’m glad I found out Apple is an untrustworthy actor before I gave them any more $$$
- justinclift 5y ago
  > synology nas to replace iCloud As a data point, make sure you have some kind of backup for that NAS too. Preferably not stored in the same location as the NAS itself (just in case). :)

intricatedetail 5y ago

Same here I was going to buy an iPhone and waiting for Mac update, but now I am going buy Xperia and still researching a laptop.

ByteWelder 5y ago
If you're still in doubt about the phone, I recommend OnePlus devices, because they seem to generally work well with the microG variant of LineageOS (https://lineage.microg.org/ https://lineage.microg.org/), which allows you to break free from Google too. Alternatively, Pixel devices also support a wide range of ROMs, including LineageOS. With microG to replace Google Services, you still get push notifications, but without having to log in with a Google account. I've got a OnePlus 8T for 3 days now. The OnePlus 9 sadly isn't yet supported by LineageOS, and the 9 Pro has some downsides that I don't like.
- intricatedetail 5y ago
  I have a strict rule to not buy anything made in China if I can get an alternative from a different country so my choices are quite limited.
  - foepys 5y ago
    Are there any smartphones definitely made outside of China? I know that Apple has a new factory in India (or similar) but still does some production in China.
    - windowsrookie 5y ago
      Samsung makes most of their premium phones outside of China.

bodge5000 5y ago

New customers too, I was thinking about going to pretty extreme lengths just to use an iphone (I'm not willing to give up on usb-c + headphone jack, but loved the privacy aspect, so was considering a usb-c charging case with a small DAC strapped to the back of it), but with the privacy aspect gone, that seems a bit pointless. I'm not gonna sell my iPad or anything, but I have no plans on vaulting into the walled garden now

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Gareth321 5y ago

That looks like a great watch! Thanks for the suggestion. I'm in the process of leaving the Apple ecosystem as well and have been looking for a Watch replacement. It's this or the Galaxy Watch 4.

ByteWelder 5y ago
You're welcome! If you want more features, the GTR 2 (regular, not "e") is only ~20 EUR more and gives you WiFi and some storage for music and some other extra features. The GTR 2e supposedly last much longer on a charge though. I've got the "always on display" feature activated and I project to have 7-10 days of battery life.

laurent92 5y ago

I guess Apple makes too much revenue and tries to get rid of customers. They have to have counter incentives for customers, or they won’t be able to provide everyone.

n8cpdx 5y ago

Glad I’m not the only one. By the end of this week I’ll have: - synology nas to replace iCloud - XPS 13 (hopefully running Linux, or at worst a heavily locked down Windows 10) - Pixel 4 with grapheneOS I’ll be selling my 12 Mini, M1 Mac Mini, Watch 6, and iPad; Apple services subscriptions have already been canceled. Signal seems to be a capable replacement for iMessage so far. I was really looking forward to the fall hardware announcements, but I’m glad I found out Apple is an untrustworthy actor before I gave them any more $$$

justinclift 5y ago
> synology nas to replace iCloud As a data point, make sure you have some kind of backup for that NAS too. Preferably not stored in the same location as the NAS itself (just in case). :)