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Pakistan and the United States have betrayed the Afghan people

10 points by actuator 5y ago

mensetmanusman 5y ago
And the betrayal began 20 years ago.
- complianceowl 5y ago
  > And the betrayal began 20 years ago. That was pretty good, not going to lie. I feel bad for my fellow Americans that are still stuck there. And sure, the withdrawal from Afghanistan was horrible; Biden could've and should've done a much better job with that. But there is a larger issue here: the fact that we should've never been there in the first place. Biden's speech sounded good, but it's a speech that should've been given 20 years ago.
  - unstatusthequo 5y ago
    I’m sure this won’t get upvotes, but I recall Ron Paul basically saying that the U.S. meddling in the region even pre Sept 11th was a mistake from day 1 and inspired hatred that fueled terrorism. Now I guess we see what happens when that hatred simmered for 20 years. And damn, Biden, consider the timing! This fiasco was not even a month away from the 9/11 20th anniversary…
- yhoneycomb 5y ago
  Began before that when we armed the taliban
nashashmi 5y ago
Unpopular opinion: the pushback the Taliban have gotten after all these years has forced them to reform quite a bit. And find a balance between government and rights. If that has happened like it so far seems, then I think it worked.
- k12sosse 5y ago
  A kinder, gentler decapitation for all those who oppose us.
randomopining 5y ago
How is the US spending $2 trillion and sending over 100's of thousands of soldiers to defeat the taliban a betrayal? Maybe if the Afghan people actually united in opinion to support their armed forces they would've actually fought against the taliban and defeated them.
- devnull3 5y ago
  US & West in general preach about democracy and want/encourage countries like Afghanistan to go that path. And yet US: 1. Ran away from AF without taking lot of ppl who helped them in last many years. (There are videos on net to see on this) 2. President says AF was never about nation building [1]. Then what was it about? 3. Dragged/nudged allies to pour their soldiers e.g UK. 4. Already knew many years ago that they have lost and yet they lingered on. 5. Installed Hamid Karzai/Ghani govt and then made a deal with Taliban (which were surrender talks) 6. Knew that Pakistan is playing double game and yet did nothing about it. [1] https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Afghanistan-turmoil/Biden-says-Afghanistan-was-never-about-nation-building https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Afg...
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > President says AF was never about nation building. Then what was it about? To “prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by" “those nations, organizations, or persons” who “planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons”, according to the law adopted authorizing the action.
    - JoeyBananas 5y ago
      Such a goal could only be accomplished by removing the Taliban from power. So, it really was about nation building the entire time.
      - dragonwriter 5y ago

10 points by actuator 5y ago

mensetmanusman 5y ago

And the betrayal began 20 years ago.

complianceowl 5y ago
> And the betrayal began 20 years ago. That was pretty good, not going to lie. I feel bad for my fellow Americans that are still stuck there. And sure, the withdrawal from Afghanistan was horrible; Biden could've and should've done a much better job with that. But there is a larger issue here: the fact that we should've never been there in the first place. Biden's speech sounded good, but it's a speech that should've been given 20 years ago.
- unstatusthequo 5y ago
  I’m sure this won’t get upvotes, but I recall Ron Paul basically saying that the U.S. meddling in the region even pre Sept 11th was a mistake from day 1 and inspired hatred that fueled terrorism. Now I guess we see what happens when that hatred simmered for 20 years. And damn, Biden, consider the timing! This fiasco was not even a month away from the 9/11 20th anniversary…
yhoneycomb 5y ago
Began before that when we armed the taliban

nashashmi 5y ago

Unpopular opinion: the pushback the Taliban have gotten after all these years has forced them to reform quite a bit. And find a balance between government and rights. If that has happened like it so far seems, then I think it worked.

k12sosse 5y ago
A kinder, gentler decapitation for all those who oppose us.

randomopining 5y ago

How is the US spending $2 trillion and sending over 100's of thousands of soldiers to defeat the taliban a betrayal? Maybe if the Afghan people actually united in opinion to support their armed forces they would've actually fought against the taliban and defeated them.

devnull3 5y ago
US & West in general preach about democracy and want/encourage countries like Afghanistan to go that path. And yet US: 1. Ran away from AF without taking lot of ppl who helped them in last many years. (There are videos on net to see on this) 2. President says AF was never about nation building [1]. Then what was it about? 3. Dragged/nudged allies to pour their soldiers e.g UK. 4. Already knew many years ago that they have lost and yet they lingered on. 5. Installed Hamid Karzai/Ghani govt and then made a deal with Taliban (which were surrender talks) 6. Knew that Pakistan is playing double game and yet did nothing about it. [1] https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Afghanistan-turmoil/Biden-says-Afghanistan-was-never-about-nation-building https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Afg...
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > President says AF was never about nation building. Then what was it about? To “prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by" “those nations, organizations, or persons” who “planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons”, according to the law adopted authorizing the action.
  - JoeyBananas 5y ago
    Such a goal could only be accomplished by removing the Taliban from power. So, it really was about nation building the entire time.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago