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That would require a software update and would definitely not go unnoticed. Would you rather they implement scanning on server side and never be able to enable

That would require a software update and would definitely not go unnoticed. Would you rather they implement scanning on server side and never be able to enable end-to-end encryption for iCloud Photos? I imagine that might be the end goal, otherwise I don't see why they wouldn't have just done it on server side. Sure, this system still has the potential to be abused, but if I had to choose between "end-to-end encrypted with local scanning before upload, which can maybe be abused but has a higher chance of being noticed if it is, and can be disabled with a jailbreak if you're really paranoid" and "not end-to-end encrypted, Apple can inspect my whole photo library whenever they desire, which can go completely unnoticed due to gag orders forcing them to hand data over to governments, not even requiring a software update, and you are completely powerless to do anything about it except for not using iCloud Photos at all", I would definitely choose the former.

WA 5y ago
Strawman. I choose no cloud storage plus device that doesn’t scan my data. You argue for the former, which isn’t implemented, vs the latter, which I assume is reality anyways for all cloud storage providers. We can have this discussion if Apple implements the former. If this was the goal, they would’ve announced it like you suggested.
Hackbraten 5y ago
> and can be disabled with a jailbreak if you're really paranoid Except that if I’m really paranoid, I’m not going to skip security updates. And those updates will probably render known jailbreak exploits useless.
sodality2 5y ago
False dichotomy. You should UNEQUIVOCALLY not be FORCED to choose one of those. You shouldn't choose one of those at all. I do not need to be treated like a criminal. Facebook et al scans server side because they have liability. Tell me why apple thinks they need to scan locally? They dont have liability, which is even worse. It means they're doing it for other reasons. Plenty of people read that as "wow apple is so kindhearted they did this without the business incentive". And you know what? They didn't. They might even have good intentions. But, as the saying goes, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

WA 5y ago

Strawman. I choose no cloud storage plus device that doesn’t scan my data. You argue for the former, which isn’t implemented, vs the latter, which I assume is reality anyways for all cloud storage providers. We can have this discussion if Apple implements the former. If this was the goal, they would’ve announced it like you suggested.

Hackbraten 5y ago

> and can be disabled with a jailbreak if you're really paranoid Except that if I’m really paranoid, I’m not going to skip security updates. And those updates will probably render known jailbreak exploits useless.

sodality2 5y ago

False dichotomy. You should UNEQUIVOCALLY not be FORCED to choose one of those. You shouldn't choose one of those at all. I do not need to be treated like a criminal. Facebook et al scans server side because they have liability. Tell me why apple thinks they need to scan locally? They dont have liability, which is even worse. It means they're doing it for other reasons. Plenty of people read that as "wow apple is so kindhearted they did this without the business incentive". And you know what? They didn't. They might even have good intentions. But, as the saying goes, the path to hell is paved with good intentions.