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This must be a popular attitude with your employer? Do you really see no option to have a firm that requires the coordination of staff be a large enough task t

This must be a popular attitude with your employer? Do you really see no option to have a firm that requires the coordination of staff be a large enough task that it deserves its own specialists, or are you violating HN guidelines for fun?

MattGaiser 5y ago
I think it depends on what management means. I work (well, until they turfed my department today) for a project manager and they manage my day to day activities. I suspect they do disagree with this part. I am officially managed by the director of software development. Formal employment stuff is run through him.
- abakker 5y ago
  You could be right, and I can say that I don’t really enjoy being project managed all the time. But, project management is not always abuse, even if it sometimes seems poorly aligned with corporate goals. Management, like other disciplines, is hard. The odd part is that it is frequently treated as a secondary responsibility for people who also have other jobs.
  - fzzzy 5y ago
    Management is not only hard but also populated with sadists, because they are the only ones willing to manage.
fzzzy 5y ago
That's correct. I believe firms should not have more than 200 employees, based on life experience.
fzzzy 5y ago
What's your excuse for being with a world where dominance and submission is tolerated as a requirement to survive?
- abakker 5y ago
  Specialization of labor. 200 is a big company to have none.
  - fzzzy 5y ago
    "200 is a big company to have none" I can't parse this sentence. Are you saying 200 people without managers in untenable? Because I know for a fact that is not true.
booleandilemma 5y ago
I think we could be more open-minded about it though. Maybe “manager” could be a position that developers rotate through, like I’ve seen done with the position of scrum master. No need for a dedicated person and everyone gets management experience. Or maybe management could be automated away somehow. I mean in an ideal world, if a person isn’t a worker then they’re redundant in a way, aren’t they? Let’s have computers doing the organizing.
- fzzzy 5y ago
  Thank you for some sanity.
fzzzy 5y ago
Also "my employer" lololololololoolol

MattGaiser 5y ago

I think it depends on what management means. I work (well, until they turfed my department today) for a project manager and they manage my day to day activities. I suspect they do disagree with this part. I am officially managed by the director of software development. Formal employment stuff is run through him.

abakker 5y ago
You could be right, and I can say that I don’t really enjoy being project managed all the time. But, project management is not always abuse, even if it sometimes seems poorly aligned with corporate goals. Management, like other disciplines, is hard. The odd part is that it is frequently treated as a secondary responsibility for people who also have other jobs.
- fzzzy 5y ago
  Management is not only hard but also populated with sadists, because they are the only ones willing to manage.

fzzzy 5y ago

That's correct. I believe firms should not have more than 200 employees, based on life experience.

fzzzy 5y ago

What's your excuse for being with a world where dominance and submission is tolerated as a requirement to survive?

abakker 5y ago
Specialization of labor. 200 is a big company to have none.
- fzzzy 5y ago
  "200 is a big company to have none" I can't parse this sentence. Are you saying 200 people without managers in untenable? Because I know for a fact that is not true.

booleandilemma 5y ago

I think we could be more open-minded about it though. Maybe “manager” could be a position that developers rotate through, like I’ve seen done with the position of scrum master. No need for a dedicated person and everyone gets management experience. Or maybe management could be automated away somehow. I mean in an ideal world, if a person isn’t a worker then they’re redundant in a way, aren’t they? Let’s have computers doing the organizing.

fzzzy 5y ago
Thank you for some sanity.

fzzzy 5y ago

Also "my employer" lololololololoolol