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This is not a useful petition. Regardless of the outcome, their nature has been shown once again, but this time it is in a more egregious and nefarious manner,

This is not a useful petition. Regardless of the outcome, their nature has been shown once again, but this time it is in a more egregious and nefarious manner, and a lot more people are taking notice. The reason it's not useful is that it temporarily hides away a side, or an image, that users aren't comfortable with. It will not change intentions and facts, it only exists so that people with brand loyalty and a brand identity can feel better about being tied to an ecosystem. The problem here is the brand identity, in a truly privacy friendly ecosystem, no such thing should exist. I encourage people to not sign it, and instead reflect on what privacy options do exist without a marketing message telling you what it should be.

istingray 5y ago
Good, put this in an email and send to tcook@apple.com. If you don't like EFF's stance on this that's fine, I wrote my own email to Tim instead.
tzs 5y ago
It's also not a useful petition because it is about both the scanning of all iCloud uploads feature and the new parental control feature that scans incoming images on children's phones. The parental control feature requires explicit opt in when the parent's set up the child's phone. When it finds a questionable image it warns the child and asks if they want to reject it or accept it. If the child is at least 13 and accepts the image, that is the end of it. Their parents are not notified. If the child is under 13 they are asked again if they really want to accept it, and told that if they do their parents will be notified. Only if the child then goes ahead and accepts the images do the parents get notified. Most objections to these features I've seen other than from the EFF are just on the upload scanning. I suspect that there are plenty of people who would sign a petition on that, but that are OK with the parental controls. It would be much more useful to have separate petitions for the two features.

istingray 5y ago

Good, put this in an email and send to tcook@apple.com. If you don't like EFF's stance on this that's fine, I wrote my own email to Tim instead.

tzs 5y ago

It's also not a useful petition because it is about both the scanning of all iCloud uploads feature and the new parental control feature that scans incoming images on children's phones. The parental control feature requires explicit opt in when the parent's set up the child's phone. When it finds a questionable image it warns the child and asks if they want to reject it or accept it. If the child is at least 13 and accepts the image, that is the end of it. Their parents are not notified. If the child is under 13 they are asked again if they really want to accept it, and told that if they do their parents will be notified. Only if the child then goes ahead and accepts the images do the parents get notified. Most objections to these features I've seen other than from the EFF are just on the upload scanning. I suspect that there are plenty of people who would sign a petition on that, but that are OK with the parental controls. It would be much more useful to have separate petitions for the two features.