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Once Apple releases this 'feature', a law would eventually be passed to force Google to add the same to Android.

DrBenCarson 5y ago
Oh don't worry, Google is way ahead of Apple when it comes to scanning users' data on devices. I would be surprised if Google weren't doing this but remotely (vs. on-device).
- aaomidi 5y ago
  They are doing this remotely, and the thing is its BETTER to do it remotely than on device. The issue here with Apple is that they want to move this type of scanning on-device. No one has really complained about them scanning for CSAM on iCloud. The data is NOT e2ee in iCloud, there is literally no reason for them to move this scanning to on-device.
  - skygazer 5y ago
    It does seem overwhelmingly likely to me that Apple intended to clear a path to E2EE of iCloud Photos with this, however, I'm utterly stumped why they haven't made any announcement nor even suggested it as a motivation. It is clearly their best possible rationale for moving the perceptual hashing from cloud to device, and many people would say, "oh, well, I guess I understand that trade off, then." But without that announcement, this looks pointless on top of invasive. And after more than a week of punishing press, it seems even more unbelievable.
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      > It does seem overwhelmingly likely to me that Apple intended to clear a path to E2EE Some people say this, but the government doesn't just care about CSAM. They care about terrorism, human and drug trafficking, organized crime, gangs, fraud etc. Unless Apple plans on expanding their system to detect those other things as well, I don't think CSAM detection alone is indicative of a clear path to E2EE. In fact, I see no evidence at all that indicates their intention of this project is to implement E2EE.
    - falcolas 5y ago
      > Apple intended to clear a path to E2EE of iCloud Photos with this Here’s one problem with that idea: They would have to support scanning on the device for everything they are able to scan in the cloud today, in every country. Without changes, their current scanner would not do the trick (unless, of course, they’re lying about how it works).
  - SevenSigs 5y ago
    I dont think that he is talking about scanning in the cloud which we know that Google is already doing for profit.... he is talking about scanning on your phone from a remote server which is WORST.
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
We can't know this so why is this always brought up? To try to deflect from Apple?

Oh don't worry, Google is way ahead of Apple when it comes to scanning users' data on devices. I would be surprised if Google weren't doing this but remotely (vs. on-device).

aaomidi 5y ago
They are doing this remotely, and the thing is its BETTER to do it remotely than on device. The issue here with Apple is that they want to move this type of scanning on-device. No one has really complained about them scanning for CSAM on iCloud. The data is NOT e2ee in iCloud, there is literally no reason for them to move this scanning to on-device.
- skygazer 5y ago
  It does seem overwhelmingly likely to me that Apple intended to clear a path to E2EE of iCloud Photos with this, however, I'm utterly stumped why they haven't made any announcement nor even suggested it as a motivation. It is clearly their best possible rationale for moving the perceptual hashing from cloud to device, and many people would say, "oh, well, I guess I understand that trade off, then." But without that announcement, this looks pointless on top of invasive. And after more than a week of punishing press, it seems even more unbelievable.
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    > It does seem overwhelmingly likely to me that Apple intended to clear a path to E2EE Some people say this, but the government doesn't just care about CSAM. They care about terrorism, human and drug trafficking, organized crime, gangs, fraud etc. Unless Apple plans on expanding their system to detect those other things as well, I don't think CSAM detection alone is indicative of a clear path to E2EE. In fact, I see no evidence at all that indicates their intention of this project is to implement E2EE.
  - falcolas 5y ago
    > Apple intended to clear a path to E2EE of iCloud Photos with this Here’s one problem with that idea: They would have to support scanning on the device for everything they are able to scan in the cloud today, in every country. Without changes, their current scanner would not do the trick (unless, of course, they’re lying about how it works).
- SevenSigs 5y ago
  I dont think that he is talking about scanning in the cloud which we know that Google is already doing for profit.... he is talking about scanning on your phone from a remote server which is WORST.

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

We can't know this so why is this always brought up? To try to deflect from Apple?